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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today is monday august 24

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237 days into the new year

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we are live from a bunker a bunker that

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is somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everyone

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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the planets our meals jimmy church

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what is cracking

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how you doing how you doing

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wow what a weekend oh man

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what a week we've got coming up on bay

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tonight mick west

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mick west joins us for the first time

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we're going to take a deep dive

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down the rabbit hole oh we are tonight

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research into the us navy's three

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i'm going to use quotes here ufo videos

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the tic tac gimbal and go fast

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tomorrow night don schmidt

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don schmidt is back we're gonna talk

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wednesday night jason quit

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the seventh installment of quit

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conspiracy goes down wednesday night

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night with open lines

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all night long what a great show we've

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stay right there first off i want to

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youtube channel and everyone who got to

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if you want to watch uh the premiere

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the banners links everything that you

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need is over at jimmychurchradio.com

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also everybody wants their first crystal

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oh the only place to go is carolyn

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ford she's got not only the best but she

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crystal skulls and and the materials and

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all from carolyn ford okay einstein the

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jimmy you will get 10 off of your

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order today go and get yours they're

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forward to november 2021.

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now you can check out all of the updates

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in the latest news at starworksusa.com

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cool is that all right so november

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f2bq and if you still use email

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all right man what a show tonight

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uh buckle up kids it's gonna be a good

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let me know gotta book reservations man

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got to do it all right omumu

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is back in the news omomur

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the mysterious interstellar object that

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fine made some turns

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accelerated and split right slow down

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accelerated turned and split

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well in a new study and paper

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astrophysical journal letters

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avi loeb from harvard and theme

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huang an astrophysicist at the korea

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that there is still hope that our that

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here wow incredible incredible

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now speaking of objects cruising by

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constant bombardment of space rocks i've

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year that seem to be just doing

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drive-bys and buzzing

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right our planet well it's continuing

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measuring over 25 meters in diameter

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that are in route right now to earth's

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backyard it's all going down this week

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check this out to kick things off

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tonight

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asteroid 2020 pp3 it's 34 meters wide

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will pass us by a distance of 3.7

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million miles having only been spotted

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13 days ago for the first time

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it will be followed shortly after

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afterwards by 2020

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pj-6 26 meters wide

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at a distance of 3.2 million miles

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not that far if you think about it and

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that was spotted only four days later

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on august 15th now next up

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this wednesday asteroid 2020 ff3

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measuring 25 meters in diameter will

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come as much

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closer 1.2 million miles

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remember it's only 250 000 miles to the

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moon so it's four times

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further away than the moon that's close

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this space rock was only spotted on

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august 14th

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and then if that isn't enough two more

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smaller asteroids will pass

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us later wednesday and thursday

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absolutely incredible incredible let's

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get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today dave chappelle

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love dave chappelle dave chappelle today

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is

316
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47 years old i ain't buying it

317
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but he says he is just 47 years old done

318
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a lot in his life

319
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for 47 years our dead guy's birthday

320
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today

321
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is danny jo brown moment of silence

322
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please

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1951 to 2005.

324
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died at the age of 53. danny was the

325
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lead singer of molly hatchet

326
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and co-writer of the band's biggest hits

327
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now his voice

328
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his voice so unique right so unique

329
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like dreams i'll never see right the

330
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allman brothers song

331
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flirting with disaster it's all over now

332
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whiskey man beating the odds huh

333
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danny was gold he was

334
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danny jo brown died of kidney failure on

335
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march 10 2005

336
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at his mother's home at the age of 53.

337
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now over the weekend i just want to

338
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mention this really quick

339
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uh frankie binali uh passed away

340
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frankie benally of course the the

341
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drummer of quiet riot

342
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and a very very good and close friend of

343
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mine for for many many

344
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many years uh fought pancreatic cancer

345
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stage four

346
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over the last year and he passed away

347
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over the weekend and

348
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he went public with it uh man

349
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it was early last year

350
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and he kept it public he

351
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kept all of his medical treatments and

352
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his progress

353
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and everything that he was doing to

354
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fight cancer

355
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on social media and on facebook and

356
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shared it all with us

357
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and i i posted some stuff but the thing

358
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is this

359
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um i knew frankie well enough and

360
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anybody that knew frankie

361
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we all thought the same thing he's going

362
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,120
to beat this

363
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,640
if anybody's going to beat it it's going

364
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to be frankie benally

365
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and uh the last month

366
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of the post stopped and i just kind of

367
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felt

368
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end was near and and we were about to

369
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:02,640
get the bad news

370
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,240
while we did and the other bad news is

371
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,559
uh nobody knows what's gonna happen with

372
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:10,000
the funeral

373
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,480
and that that's messing with everybody

374
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:16,080
nobody wants to have the funeral can't

375
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,679
do it can't do it can't do a memorial

376
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:19,280
service can't get together

377
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,039
it's coronavirus time right sad

378
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,080
sad frankie rest in peace my brother all

379
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on this day in history 79 a.d

380
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mount vesuvius erupts in southern italy

381
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devastating the prosperous roman cities

382
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of pompeii

383
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and herculean oh man

384
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hercules herculaneum

385
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:54,240
fader fact the word disaster

386
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:57,520
now listen to me the word

387
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:02,000
disaster comes from the italian

388
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dis astro

389
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,600
right meaning ill starred as people

390
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:11,919
believe their misfortunes were due to

391
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,320
the astrological positioning of the

392
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stars in the sky

393
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that's where disaster comes from bet you

394
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,080
didn't know that did you

395
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,640
incredible tonight mick west joins us

396
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for the first time we're going to take a

397
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:28,080
deep dive down the rabbit hole

398
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,280
you're not going to want to miss this

399
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:31,120
conversation and we're also going to

400
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,840
discuss

401
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,840
uh all of his research into the us

402
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:35,200
navy's three

403
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,559
ufo videos the tic-tac the gimbal and

404
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,520
the go fast

405
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,360
and tomorrow night don schmidt is back

406
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:42,960
we're going to talk about his new book

407
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:46,840
wednesday night jason quit is here

408
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,240
for cons uh conspiracy

409
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,280
seven yeah i can't believe it

410
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,360
conspiracy number seven where did where

411
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,840
did that happen

412
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:00,960
incredible all right

413
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,270
rivermooncoffee.com that's a good

414
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,880
picture of frankie

415
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,640
that's a good shot that's back in the

416
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:18,240
day got the quiet riot

417
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,789
oh man yeah it's a good picture frankie

418
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,679
is a cool dude

419
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,400
it's a good dude right there good guy

420
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,080
and the rock and roll world

421
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,960
we always hear those stories about you

422
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,919
know

423
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,240
never want to meet one of your heroes

424
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,400
right frankie was cool

425
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:40,400
frankie was cool always made time all

426
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:49,590
there are plenty of conspiracy theories

427
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:53,120
that deserve our attention

428
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:56,520
absolutely so many different

429
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:00,640
conspiracy theories over the years

430
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,559
turned out to be true to be real

431
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,799
and that's when it starts to mess with

432
00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:08,720
your head

433
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,280
right and what happens in these

434
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,440
conspiracy circles

435
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:18,799
is that once

436
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:21,679
something is vetted confirmed verified

437
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,480
proven is real

438
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,590
everything is a conspiracy

439
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,510
and you only need that one little that

440
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:33,760
one little thing

441
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:36,799
and i had

442
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,600
i had a friend of mine that visited me

443
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,120
this isn't a conspiracy theory but it is

444
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,480
i had a friend that visited me and he

445
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,320
comes over and he goes hey man

446
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,440
uh another

447
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,840
somebody that we knew mutually between

448
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,600
the two of us

449
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:58,880
his landlord technically

450
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:02,159
my landlord has

451
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:05,840
drilled holes in my walls

452
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,360
and is recording me i'm like dude

453
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,799
stop with that stop with it

454
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,080
just stop and he was i'm telling you

455
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,440
at the brink of losing his mind

456
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,840
and i said well how do you man i can

457
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,440
hear them on the other side of the walls

458
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,360
and they're talking about me

459
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,440
and and they're talking about recording

460
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,799
me and i could hear what they're doing

461
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,080
and i was like man dude it's your

462
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,360
imagination

463
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,799
just stop with that stop and i

464
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,799
i talk them off the edge of the cliff i

465
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,080
talk them down and i

466
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:41,440
calm them down i'm like you know no

467
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,200
well it was about a week later

468
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,559
and and i'm with an unassociated group

469
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,559
of people but i hear a couple of

470
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,360
and i know these two right and and i

471
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:54,960
hear them talking and they're going

472
00:24:03,190 --> 00:23:58,240
yeah man we've been recording

473
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,909
i was landlord what did you guys just

474
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,960
say

475
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:09,200
yeah man there's weird stuff going on in

476
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,000
his apartment

477
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:12,640
and and uh and so they wanted us i said

478
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:13,039
what

479
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:20,880
i i felt mad

480
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,000
but this is where things get funky

481
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:26,400
i talked my friend off the cliff right i

482
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,120
got him

483
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,159
calmed down i then had to have another

484
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,440
conversation with him

485
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,760
which was you were right it's not what

486
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:35,200
you think it is but you know and i had

487
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,840
to

488
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:38,240
like throw him this softball he ended up

489
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,279
moving out the

490
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,279
the weirdness stopped and and everything

491
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,880
was fine but the point is really simple

492
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,240
it's it's it's super simple once you

493
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,279
get if he would have had if

494
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,520
if anything at that point it's the

495
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,799
rabbit hole

496
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,320
and now he's going to take these

497
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,559
thoughts into all other directions he's

498
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,799
going to look at life differently and

499
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:03,440
and things i had to talk him back off

500
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,240
the cliff

501
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,880
i had to do it and it's the same thing

502
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:08,799
in the conspiracy world

503
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,480
because for me because i have seen

504
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,320
things that i can't explain i've

505
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,320
interviewed people i've seen i've i've

506
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:18,480
been there

507
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,720
that doesn't mean that i have to

508
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,520
buy into or believe every single

509
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,080
conspiracy theory out there

510
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,039
when it comes to 9 11 i believe that

511
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,039
there's a conspiracy with 9 11 and the

512
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,559
conspiracy is

513
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,159
not what you think the conspiracy for me

514
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,520
is that the government knew in advance

515
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:44,960
that there were going to be

516
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,720
a terrorist attacking and

517
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,559
and possibly focusing on the twin towers

518
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:55,039
knew that in advance and did nothing

519
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,679
about it

520
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,640
that's a conspiracy that's a crime

521
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:01,200
that's the definition of conspiracy

522
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,230
nuclear suitcases detonations

523
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,679
hologram airplanes you know no

524
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,960
no no no no no and i

525
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,679
i don't buy into that i've had a lot of

526
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,559
criticism

527
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,080
about that but i just i i don't care

528
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:25,840
what the engineers have to say

529
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,880
you know but that's that's just my take

530
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,360
or the conspiracy theorist or whatever

531
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,840
it's not going to change my mind and

532
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,799
it's

533
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,480
the same thing with so many other

534
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,400
different conspiracies and

535
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:41,520
and with shootings and and and think

536
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,039
we need to just calm down and look at

537
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,360
reality that just maybe

538
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,240
it's a a group of crazy people like the

539
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,120
terrorists that

540
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,760
hijacked airplanes all right maybe it's

541
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,240
just

542
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,080
that now the fact that our government

543
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,120
knew in advance

544
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,440
and didn't do anything about it that's

545
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:02,799
pretty strange

546
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:07,360
wanted to go there

547
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,200
the questions were raised the senate and

548
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,760
congress

549
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:14,000
they were asking the questions about

550
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,799
this

551
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,440
about what the cia knew in advance maybe

552
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,200
the fbi

553
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,200
what the what did they know all of those

554
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,200
flight schools across the country

555
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,080
what did they know in advance but they

556
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:27,520
just let that lay

557
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,120
right there that's the conspiracy

558
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,039
that's a conspiracy for me and it's

559
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,480
bigger and darker

560
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,159
than anything about a controlled

561
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,159
demolition nah

562
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,960
hologram holographic airplanes that

563
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,840
weren't real

564
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,120
yeah you know thermite

565
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,679
uh what burns and what does no no i just

566
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,120
don't go there

567
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,919
so that's what we always need to do when

568
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:52,720
it comes

569
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,399
with conspiracy theories listen

570
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,520
listen listen we gotta have alternative

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ideas out there we can never believe

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what we are told the first time

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especially through the media or through

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the man and through official channels

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you got to weed through it and get

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everybody's ideas out there it's like

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come on come on come on

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ideas on the table ideas on the table

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thermite

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suitcase nuclear bombs controlled

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demolition

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right uh construction crews coming in

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uh for a couple of years right in

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advance

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wiring the building okay all right let's

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throw all that in the middle of the

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table let's see what sticks

588
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that's fine that's fine question

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everything

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danger zone

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you don't want to lose your mind

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like my friend you don't want to do it

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you don't

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and that's how i've always been able to

595
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remain objective

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when i look at operations northwoods mk

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ultra

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project mockingbird these are real

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that's real stuff you don't need

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anything more

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to go on when you look at that and just

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go oh man

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okay wow that actually really happened

604
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and it did

605
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so think about that tonight our guest is

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mick west

607
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,360
he's been doing just that for a very

608
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long time he's been running metabunk and

609
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if you haven't been to metabunk

610
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you need to go there metabunk.org

611
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all right and check out all of the

612
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research all right i may not agree with

613
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everything that mick throws out there

614
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and debunks or puts on the table that's

615
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not the point

616
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we always need to listen to everybody

617
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his work

618
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,440
and the three u.s navy ufo videos

619
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absolutely incredible and we're going to

620
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go through all of that tonight

621
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so stay right there this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

623
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tonight mick west joins us

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tomorrow night right here don schmidt

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and then wednesday night it is quit

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spirity

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seven with jason quit thursday night is

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i

746
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am your host jimmy church

747
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what a show tonight what a week we have

748
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got coming up tonight nick west is here

749
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,430
wednesday night it's jason quit with

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quit conspiracy

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number seven mick west

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nick west needs to listen to that show

753
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oh man it's gonna be a great show

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tonight really really looking forward to

755
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this

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00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,400
mick wetz is here we're going to do a

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breakdown of each of the navy's

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three i'm holding up quotation marks

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here

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right three ufo videos uh the tic tac

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the gimbal and the go fast

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00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,680
mick is the author of escaping the

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rabbit hole

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how to debunk conspiracy theories using

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facts

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logic and respect he's the host of the

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podcast tales from the rabbit hole

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he's a retired video game programmer who

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helped make the tony hawk's pro skater

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franchise i played the life out of those

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games

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mick runs the website metabunk.org

773
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where he investigates conspiracy

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theories debunks

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pseudoscience and investigates ufo

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videos i would like to welcome for the

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first time to fade to black

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mick west mick good evening man how are

779
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:47,359
you good evening jimmy i'm doing good

780
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how are you doing i

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am fantastic now that you're here with

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me

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going to be a great night

784
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mick let's start off here though you get

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the first time guest

786
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disclaimer okay so let's get that out of

787
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the way

788
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which is this mick it's just you and i

789
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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends

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but we're gonna end as friends there you

794
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go all right sounds good to me that's

795
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the way i like to do it i like to start

796
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,520
as friends

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00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:18,960
stay friends all the way through yeah

798
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,760
stay friends all the way through

799
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,160
and you've got to you know one of the

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things uh we've got a lot to discuss

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tonight

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00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,520
and uh and i'm really looking forward to

803
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,680
this uh but i'm actually gonna start

804
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,760
here a little bit off subject

805
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,560
uh well no it's actually on subject

806
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,599
which is

807
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one of the great things about this

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country

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was two people with different ideas

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managing to get along and respect the

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other side

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that's what this country you know we're

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all different right that's what

814
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,000
and and today it's not that kind of

815
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party right

816
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,720
it's a divided hate-filled

817
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,200
thing that we have suddenly found

818
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,400
ourselves in

819
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
what what happened why can't we all be

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different and you and i in a lot of ways

821
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can't be

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more further on the opposite sides of

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the fence

824
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but we're about to have a great

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conversation and and with respect

826
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,800
what what happened along the way what

827
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,240
how did we get here

828
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,680
well i think america you know has always

829
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been kind of a melting pot you've always

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had these different people in and

831
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there's always been historically

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been animosities between various groups

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of people

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and i think perhaps we could have been

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lulled into a bit of a false sense of

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security

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uh with you know the good times in

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recent years you know the post-war years

839
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uh it's been a was a time of great

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prosperity but

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america has traditionally been a country

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with lots of different factions it's a

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big country and people from one part of

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the country don't like people from

845
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another part of the country

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and perhaps what's happening is that

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people are kind of being

848
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maybe forced together a little bit more

849
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the country has shrunk a little bit

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by the internet kind of making everybody

851
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,000
more accessible so now

852
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,320
we get to see what life is like in on

853
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,000
the other side of the fence and maybe we

854
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,960
don't like it and

855
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,480
maybe we're scared of it and that just

856
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,480
leads to a few problems well

857
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,599
it i i agree with that i

858
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:18,079
i do i agree with that except right and

859
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:19,119
there's always a but

860
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,000
we no matter how

861
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,800
different people were with ideas and it

862
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:31,119
could be religion or politics or jobs or

863
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,599
hair

864
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,560
or the way that you dressed we still

865
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,640
managed to drink and eat dinner and

866
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,880
break bread at the end of the day

867
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,760
yeah right and i don't i don't see us

868
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,640
breaking bread

869
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,440
and and having a drink uh at the end of

870
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,800
all of this

871
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:49,040
yeah i think people really if people

872
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,079
want to try to help

873
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,839
the country they want to try doing that

874
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,680
there's so much going on now which is

875
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,800
basically people

876
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,960
you know cancel culture people canceling

877
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,160
their friends

878
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,839
like if someone is on facebook and you

879
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:01,040
don't agree with them like the thing

880
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,000
people do it says

881
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,560
you know this guy is like a trump guy so

882
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:06,160
i'm just gonna cancel him or this guy's

883
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,960
like a raving

884
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,960
liberal lunatic i'm just gonna uh

885
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,160
unfriend them

886
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,400
yeah that's not helping people just uh

887
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,599
canceling each other

888
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,800
isn't helping what we should be doing is

889
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,880
talking to each other and i think that

890
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,560
everyone's perfectly capable of doing

891
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,309
and how did you okay

892
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:27,119
how did you yourself personally arrive

893
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:27,760
here

894
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,200
um were you were you somebody

895
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,599
that because okay hold on a minute

896
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:36,960
actually let me qualify this question

897
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,800
it i've watched uh some of your podcast

898
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:42,240
right and it's really good

899
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,319
and it seems that you've almost got a

900
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,359
self-help group going on from

901
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:53,280
a former conspiracy theorists

902
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:57,760
that are maybe still conspiracy minded

903
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,200
right they have conspiracy leanings

904
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,359
but they have been pulled out of the

905
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:04,400
cult

906
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:08,319
right they are they and so were you

907
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,319
yourself once a conspiracy theorist

908
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,359
no i wasn't but i was uh

909
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,160
i guess religious for a long time you

910
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,520
know i was raised a catholic and i was

911
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,520
also kind of like a kind of a mystical

912
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,560
thinker in a way

913
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,720
i used to think that uh i had psychic

914
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,599
powers

915
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,119
uh when i was young when i said like a

916
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:28,800
young teenager like

917
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,000
12 13 something like that i would

918
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:35,119
try to train my brain so i could see

919
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,520
what

920
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,359
a card was by staring at the back of the

921
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
card long enough and i thought that i

922
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,560
could actually do that i thought that if

923
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,119
i did

924
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,560
this long enough you know this is kind

925
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,000
of magical thinking that was really

926
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,000
appealing to me as a youngster and i was

927
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,520
also really into ufos

928
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,240
as any young guy would be you're reading

929
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,040
science fiction

930
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,560
watching watching tv with lots of

931
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,560
science stuff in the uk we watch doctor

932
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,760
who which is a

933
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,920
popular science fiction thing over there

934
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,960
over here too

935
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:01,520
uh and so yeah i i like that type of

936
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:02,160
thing

937
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,680
but as i grew older i also started

938
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,359
really liking science

939
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,400
and the more you kind of delve into to

940
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,319
science from my perspective like

941
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,480
a lot of these things not all of them a

942
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,319
lot of these things these mysteries

943
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,000
kind of fall away and kind of get

944
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:19,599
explained you know what's actually going

945
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,240
on

946
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,240
with these various things and i started

947
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,560
to find that to be like the interesting

948
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,359
thing

949
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,800
now uh before we uh

950
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,520
uh move forward i i want to stay on this

951
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,480
but you just mentioned doctor who

952
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,200
who's your favorite doctor who oh tom

953
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,319
baker of course

954
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:41,760
no but i think this is a thing to do

955
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,400
with age

956
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,839
when you grew up like when i grew up

957
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,680
watching it you know tom baker was uh

958
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,880
was doctor who for me

959
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,760
really what about david tennant well you

960
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,160
know it's like these uh

961
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,319
he for me like i had this big chunk of

962
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:56,079
my life where there was doc the doctor

963
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,119
who was john baker

964
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,400
with his scarf and everything there was

965
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,839
the guy who came after him i can't

966
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,200
remember his name but he was a little

967
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,640
little blond-haired guy

968
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,319
and then there's this big mess of other

969
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,839
people that i didn't really pay much

970
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,800
attention to

971
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,200
so i've just got this very fixed idea of

972
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,960
doctor who in my mind which is

973
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,720
which is tom baker and then occasionally

974
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,520
this weird little guy with a robot dog

975
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,000
uh wonders into the uh the equation but

976
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,680
right tom beck is the guy oh i like

977
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:21,680
david tennant but that's another story

978
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:25,680
okay all right now um

979
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:30,280
today are there

980
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,480
conspiracies out there for you

981
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,599
that don't need to be debunked that they

982
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,720
are actually real sure

983
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,800
yeah i mean there's things that people

984
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,760
wouldn't even

985
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,240
think about because it's so obvious like

986
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,680
we know that there's corruption

987
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:50,160
in government sure we know that people

988
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,200
take money

989
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,400
essentially or directly

990
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,280
in exchange for favorable stances on

991
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
legislation

992
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,400
we know that the lobbying industry is

993
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,599
essentially

994
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,560
kind of a way of a corruption interface

995
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,200
between

996
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,760
big industry and the government and then

997
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,200
there's the whole military-industrial

998
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:11,440
complex with this big revolving door of

999
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,319
people

1000
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,720
uh who worked in the military popular

1001
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,640
working government in the military

1002
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:19,440
getting jobs in boeing and lockheed

1003
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,000
martin

1004
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,400
or getting jobs lobbyists who then

1005
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,760
interface between

1006
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,200
these these other companies so there's

1007
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:27,359
there are essentially conspiracies going

1008
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,160
on because

1009
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,560
you know these things to a large extent

1010
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,560
uh end up being immoral

1011
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,640
we get things like lobbyists for the

1012
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,240
prison industry

1013
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,839
uh lobbying uh politicians and giving

1014
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:41,040
money to their campaigns you know

1015
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,560
funneling money to their campaigns in

1016
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,760
exchange for

1017
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,560
increased sentencing like or not

1018
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,000
repealing things like

1019
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,319
mandatory minimums for drug sentencing

1020
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,880
yeah these are things which you know

1021
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,960
people will just think about what's

1022
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,480
actually going on there people's lives

1023
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,319
being ruined just so some corporation

1024
00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:00,000
can make more money it's just a terrible

1025
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,200
thing and essentially it's a

1026
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,880
it's a really bad uh

1027
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,000
but then there's lots of other things as

1028
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,520
well which you could say would be

1029
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,520
conspiracies obviously people conspire

1030
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,280
individually all the time to try to

1031
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,680
cheat uh various things like criminals

1032
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,720
conspire

1033
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,160
and i'm sure there's people within

1034
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,079
corporations that conspire

1035
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,079
and corporations probably do things like

1036
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:21,680
try to fudge the books or fudge the

1037
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
numbers on

1038
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:24,000
on tests of a pharmaceutical or

1039
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:25,119
something like that to try to get it

1040
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,079
past

1041
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,920
you know volkswagen had that big

1042
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,599
conspiracy where they

1043
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,480
were faking the emission numbers uh for

1044
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,599
their i don't know what it was like

1045
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,200
diesel trucks or something like that

1046
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,520
and there was a huge thing that cost

1047
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,640
them billions of dollars

1048
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,240
when it actually came out so there are

1049
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:41,920
conspiracies which are

1050
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:46,240
uh both like you know illegal and very

1051
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,040
very large

1052
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,400
in some some instances now if you take

1053
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,480
that a step further

1054
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:55,040
is that type of conspiracy and i

1055
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:56,480
understand you're staying inside of the

1056
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,280
framework

1057
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,480
of the definition of conspiracy which is

1058
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,040
two or more people conspiring working

1059
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,040
together to commit a crime

1060
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:08,720
okay then there is the pop culture

1061
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,079
definition of conspiracy which is any

1062
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,319
crazy idea out there is a conspiracy

1063
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,319
but that would be a conspiracy theory

1064
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,599
right and that there's a

1065
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,359
common usage of the term conspiracy

1066
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,720
theory now you could just say

1067
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:25,040
a conspiracy theory as a literal meaning

1068
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,160
which it does

1069
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:27,920
but everyone kind of understands what

1070
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:30,480
the term conspiracy theory means

1071
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,079
uh it's basically ascribing a conspiracy

1072
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,880
to explain uh significant events in the

1073
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,520
world

1074
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,000
like say you know jfk assassinated

1075
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,920
someone says like the caa assassinated

1076
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:43,200
to him that's a conspiracy theory

1077
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,680
because it's

1078
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:46,160
it's not uh maybe it's true but there

1079
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,800
aren't like

1080
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,680
facts to prove it right well one side

1081
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:50,480
will say

1082
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,920
conspiracy theory it's the the other

1083
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,720
side says

1084
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,880
it's a conspiracy it's a it's a

1085
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,640
contentious thing because

1086
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,560
if one side thinks that theory is proven

1087
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,880
then it's no longer a theory but

1088
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,200
uh they're still arguing uh their

1089
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
hypothesis even if you believe a

1090
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,640
hypothesis to be correct

1091
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,880
you can't say this is facts and everyone

1092
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,839
agrees to it if

1093
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,839
you're in this this vast minority or

1094
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,760
fast this very very small minority of

1095
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,480
say like a

1096
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,160
two or three percent of the population

1097
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,000
that believes a certain thing or even if

1098
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,760
you're in like the 30 or 40 percent or

1099
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,880
something to believe some

1100
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,960
and even if you're in the majority like

1101
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,960
people believe certain things which are

1102
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,760
false

1103
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,880
like in in larger numbers than the

1104
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:32,400
actual population like the half of the

1105
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,119
population

1106
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,599
you can get 60 of the people believing

1107
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,599
uh like scientific facts

1108
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:40,240
that end up being being false like

1109
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,960
people

1110
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,640
you know do trivial things for example

1111
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,000
like some people think that

1112
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,599
household dust is mostly dead human skin

1113
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:49,200
because they've heard it uh when they

1114
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,319
were growing up or something like that

1115
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:52,160
so they believe these these things to be

1116
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,559
false

1117
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,960
wait wait wait wait you mean it's not

1118
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,359
it's not

1119
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,920
it's hold on a minute hold on a minute

1120
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,240
the show just took a strange turn

1121
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:05,280
okay well okay but

1122
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,040
then there's an example like this

1123
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:12,240
where today conspiracy theorists right i

1124
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,119
feel like

1125
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,240
aliens right

1126
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,760
conspiracy theorists say but

1127
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,400
conspiracy theorists will say well uh

1128
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:23,760
the government

1129
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:26,960
um and and uh

1130
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,319
uh an underground uh

1131
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,559
blah uh what's the word i wanna use

1132
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,599
invisible

1133
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,640
group is running the media is running

1134
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,400
the internet is running the news is

1135
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,079
running the headlines is controlling

1136
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,440
your mind

1137
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,880
and we can all laugh at that and then

1138
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,720
but they they have project mockingbird

1139
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,200
right where they can go but this was

1140
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,319
real

1141
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,079
and so you look at that and you

1142
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,040
understand what uh project mockingbird

1143
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,559
was which was the cia

1144
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,920
controlling the media through television

1145
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,559
in print

1146
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,760
across the united states with with

1147
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,400
literally paid journalists and reporters

1148
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,559
and and talking heads on the nightly

1149
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,680
news

1150
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:16,960
so that do you understand where

1151
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,079
sure yeah yeah and uh

1152
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,359
you know obviously if you look into

1153
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:23,440
history depending on how far back you go

1154
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,400
you're gonna find

1155
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,520
things that were done that uh you could

1156
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,599
say is this still being done now

1157
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,960
but then you could have asked just

1158
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,119
because something was done in the past

1159
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,800
does that mean it is being done now like

1160
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,480
a lot of things have changed over the

1161
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,079
years because of legislation i mean we

1162
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,440
used to be able to smoke in theaters but

1163
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,960
it doesn't mean we can smoke in theaters

1164
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,520
now

1165
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,559
we can't see like wow

1166
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,240
it might seem like a silly example but

1167
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,839
you know things change

1168
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,920
over time and just because that was the

1169
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,680
way things were done back then during

1170
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,280
the height of you know the cold war the

1171
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,520
idea the aftermath of the cold war

1172
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,040
uh does it mean that it's it's still

1173
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,040
been going going on now

1174
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,640
you know of course if you don't trust

1175
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,240
the government then you've got no reason

1176
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,559
to suspect that it's not

1177
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,319
but if you actually study what's

1178
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,599
actually going on and

1179
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,200
the legislation that goes on and the

1180
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,359
operations of the cia

1181
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,440
you know we have specific laws in the us

1182
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,720
that prevent

1183
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,000
the the usage of uh propaganda and

1184
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,520
american citizens

1185
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,520
uh we're only allowed to use propaganda

1186
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,599
on foreign citizens and there used to be

1187
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,480
quite strict measures deepen on that to

1188
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,319
stop it kind of leaking back

1189
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,079
to the us and that they kind of loosened

1190
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,359
that now because

1191
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,800
there are so many issues with social

1192
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,359
media but that there are

1193
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,440
there are laws against this type of

1194
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,359
thing so it would have to be illegal

1195
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,960
back then it wasn't illegal to do that

1196
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,040
well you have to have the laws in place

1197
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:44,880
you have to have the laws in place for

1198
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,000
for the excuse right and to say that we

1199
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:50,160
have the laws in place but that does not

1200
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,040
mean that

1201
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,480
the cia is not running websites

1202
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:57,040
right now under the guise of something

1203
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,400
else or

1204
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,760
or or twitter accounts that are that are

1205
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,280
i mean you know but that would be

1206
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:05,599
illegal that would be but they're doing

1207
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,000
it

1208
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,000
actually

1209
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,000
get in there and expose so there's this

1210
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,280
huge risk that they've been running by

1211
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,040
making it illegal and then continuing to

1212
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,400
do it why didn't they just keep it legal

1213
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,440
why didn't they just make it

1214
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,119
make it legal i don't know you'd have to

1215
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:20,880
ask snowden

1216
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,069
has he said anything about does he think

1217
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:27,680
that this is actually going on

1218
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,040
well uh that's it yeah that's uh

1219
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,800
that's a conversation for another uh

1220
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,160
another time but

1221
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:37,680
um staying on this though one of the

1222
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:38,559
things

1223
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,000
uh that when i am outspoken

1224
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,240
about these types of ideas and going

1225
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:46,240
back to like mockingbird

1226
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:50,079
i go straight to ttsa and the reason why

1227
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,240
i do that is when you go over to

1228
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,240
ttsa's website and you look

1229
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,920
at their 12 or 14

1230
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,640
employees on the roster right with their

1231
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,160
with their cvs there

1232
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,359
and and their work history that 11 out

1233
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:08,880
of those 12

1234
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,480
work for the cia and now and you have to

1235
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:14,559
stop and ask or counter intelligence

1236
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:14,880
right

1237
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:17,359
pentagon and and you look at something

1238
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:18,160
like that and go

1239
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,319
wait a minute here what is the message

1240
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:25,440
that would be coming out why

1241
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,200
a staff of c i a

1242
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,599
uh employees or ex-employees and the

1243
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,920
best example i can give you is

1244
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,200
metabunk metabunk if

1245
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:40,319
metabunk's 12 employees

1246
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,440
were all xcia mick west has a problem

1247
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,359
you've got a marketing issue right

1248
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,640
you're gonna have to explain that away

1249
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,720
on on why this is a good thing or why

1250
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,319
this is happening and why

1251
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,960
why people who are visiting metabunk

1252
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,920
should not be

1253
00:53:01,349 --> 00:53:00,240
alarmed but let me give you a counter

1254
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,359
example uh

1255
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,400
neversoft it's a company i used to run

1256
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,440
had a lot of people who knew each other

1257
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:10,000
and i think when someone starts up a new

1258
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,040
enterprise

1259
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,280
they gather from the people around them

1260
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,960
and then they gather from the people

1261
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,319
that those people know

1262
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:18,240
so you're going to tend to get people

1263
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,839
coming from a small group

1264
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:23,359
now i think ttsa the way

1265
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,960
it works is that they have elizondo

1266
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,920
who had connections in you know various

1267
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,359
departments and he could get these

1268
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:33,040
videos out because you know he could

1269
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:34,160
have worked with a classification

1270
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,040
process

1271
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,520
of them and then he knew other people

1272
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,880
and they knew other people

1273
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,480
and they just were just in the same

1274
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,160
sphere basically

1275
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,960
and then they kind of got together and

1276
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,240
started their fun little

1277
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,160
little company trying to make money from

1278
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,079
uh making entertainment about

1279
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,200
uh ufos yeah you're being kind

1280
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,760
you're being kind right now and yeah yes

1281
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,880
that's what i that's what i think

1282
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,599
happened

1283
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,640
i i think they're that's exactly what

1284
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,640
happened there's no question about that

1285
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,240
that's what happened but we're talk

1286
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:05,440
we're not talking about

1287
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:15,599
apples we're talking yeah we're talking

1288
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:16,480
about

1289
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,160
the cia that's a whole nother ball of

1290
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,839
wax there

1291
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,520
right ah but

1292
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,040
i don't really see them doing anything

1293
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,720
significant though

1294
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,079
okay i think what yeah what they've done

1295
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,079
that they've done this unidentified tv

1296
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,359
show that's the biggest thing they've

1297
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,440
done so far they've done a bit of media

1298
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,680
hype around these videos but it's

1299
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,640
basically to

1300
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,160
promote their show yeah they're supposed

1301
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,839
to have three divisions like a science

1302
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,640
division

1303
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,839
uh a uh well actually a research

1304
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:47,359
division like and then a development

1305
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,319
division and

1306
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,160
that actually makes flying sources and

1307
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,839
then entertainment but all that we're

1308
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,680
doing is entertainment

1309
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:57,119
right and so when we

1310
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,480
have these three videos and

1311
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,680
a message okay let me back up for a

1312
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,040
second

1313
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,359
do you believe this is a leading

1314
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:09,599
question for the next question

1315
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,880
do you believe that the united states

1316
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,599
government

1317
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:16,720
and the pentagon and all of the agencies

1318
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:20,960
involved around that do you believe that

1319
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,720
they are in possession of evidence

1320
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,359
of extraterrestrials visiting this

1321
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,440
planet

1322
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,559
i don't know i don't see any evidence of

1323
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,000
it but it's obviously quite

1324
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,079
possible and if someone was going to be

1325
00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:38,000
they'd probably they wanted to do it

1326
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,720
okay so the

1327
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,200
cooperation or or lack of

1328
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,599
the communication between ttsa and the

1329
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,960
pentagon

1330
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,200
seems to be these three videos and

1331
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,200
securing the release of them even though

1332
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:54,960
they've been in the public domain

1333
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:58,400
uh back in 2017 um

1334
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,079
is is that and for what they've turned

1335
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,839
out to be is that disinformation

1336
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,760
i don't think so i think it's just uh

1337
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,000
louis zondo happens to know about these

1338
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,680
videos i think what they probably were

1339
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,559
was something like

1340
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,640
internal training videos like the navy

1341
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,400
used to demonstrate these various things

1342
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,079
to pilots but so he knew about them and

1343
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,079
he knew that they were classified

1344
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:22,480
in a certain way and he thought he could

1345
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,119
get them

1346
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,040
declassified now there's a little email

1347
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:26,559
chain that's out there that you can you

1348
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,359
can read

1349
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,599
of him trying to get them declassified

1350
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,520
he kind of goes back and forth with some

1351
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,119
some guy in the navy

1352
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,720
uh and it ends up he gets the form

1353
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,319
filled in with them and it says

1354
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,480
declassified and then at that point they

1355
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,400
they release them via this new york

1356
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,640
times article but then the military

1357
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,920
comes back and says oh they weren't

1358
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,680
properly declassified

1359
00:56:52,349 --> 00:56:49,920
and they shouldn't have been released

1360
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,359
this was back in 2017 like december

1361
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,680
2017. but then later the military

1362
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,960
says oh well you know they're out there

1363
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:58,400
anyway so we're just going to release

1364
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,799
them

1365
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,319
officially and so these are the official

1366
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,000
versions and this is all we've got and

1367
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,760
there's no there's no longer versions of

1368
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,359
them so here you go

1369
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,960
and i think that's pretty much all that

1370
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:09,200
happened i don't really see anything

1371
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,640
nefarious going or there any kind of

1372
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,079
propaganda and i don't really

1373
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,920
see how there could be any propaganda in

1374
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,160
this anyway but

1375
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,000
right well the uh the message

1376
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,440
that has been uh the drum that has been

1377
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,960
beat i should say

1378
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,200
uh for the last two two and a half years

1379
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,640
it's good gonna be three we're going

1380
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,880
into year four we're about to complete

1381
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:31,680
year three

1382
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,799
in december remember it's december 2017

1383
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,119
when the new york times article came out

1384
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,599
and so that that'll be three years in a

1385
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,040
couple of months and then

1386
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,160
we enter in year four the

1387
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,119
the propaganda the dogma that has been

1388
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:48,400
established

1389
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:52,160
is that what is in these three videos

1390
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,400
are ufos uaps we have the pilots we have

1391
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,920
the navy crews

1392
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,240
uh and their sightings to back up what's

1393
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:01,680
in these videos

1394
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,119
and these are visitors from another

1395
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,920
planet

1396
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,280
that's the dogma right you were catholic

1397
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,480
you understand dogma

1398
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,960
right it's not official dogma though no

1399
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,240
don't know that's kind of

1400
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,200
arisen uh and kind of being promoted by

1401
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,680
ttsa and to some extent by

1402
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,440
people like leslie keane from the new

1403
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:23,680
york times why keep doing it

1404
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:27,440
if uh if it's not if it's not

1405
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,280
ufo videos why keep trying to convince

1406
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,040
the public that they're seeing something

1407
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,480
that they are not

1408
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,240
because that's the best that they've got

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00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,680
and they're milking it

1410
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,160
for all that they can you know they did

1411
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:42,480
entire tv show episodes like based

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00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,040
around

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00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,119
these videos and they they set up these

1414
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,960
dramatic things where they had supposed

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00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:48,079
experts come in

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00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,839
and look at the videos and say that they

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00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,839
are amazing videos and they show

1418
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,640
unusual phenomena like aura and hovering

1419
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,079
and things like that so

1420
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,920
they can use them that shows use

1421
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,480
debunked videos from many many years ago

1422
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,720
like the chilean ufo video that came out

1423
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,880
a while ago that was a plane

1424
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,799
they put it in the latest season at

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00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,799
season two and said that it was like a

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00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,920
ufo

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00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:14,000
so they're not above like kind of

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00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:14,960
pushing

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00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,839
things to use them and i think that's

1430
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:19,200
just what's what's actually going on

1431
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,079
here they're just

1432
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,480
uh they've got three videos that's

1433
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,160
probably pretty much all they've got in

1434
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,760
the video department these are the best

1435
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:27,280
things that they have

1436
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,880
and they're studiously ignoring any real

1437
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,960
analysis of this video is because if

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00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,799
they were properly analyzed

1439
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,319
it would be revealed that they're really

1440
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:37,839
not as interesting as they make them out

1441
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,480
to be

1442
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,160
well and the question is i've got 30

1443
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,839
seconds before the break nick

1444
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,599
but the question is why is the

1445
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:45,520
motivation money

1446
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:48,799
or is the motivation uh

1447
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,520
really interstellar is there something

1448
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,400
else that is

1449
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:54,559
uh coming down the pike i think the

1450
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,599
motivation is that they're

1451
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,280
they're all people who really like the

1452
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ufo

1453
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,960
extraterrestrial hypothesis they really

1454
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,480
like the idea that there's aliens out

1455
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,839
there and they think it's true

1456
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,520
and they think that they can solve it

1457
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:07,119
and so they're trying to do that

1458
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,400
and if they make a bit of money along

1459
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,400
the way that's fine too but i think

1460
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,520
really they're just uh

1461
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,680
they're really into it let's take our

1462
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,280
break right here our guest tonight

1463
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,440
mick west i am your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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radio mick what's your twitter

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it's mick west are you sure

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that's what they tell me mick west no

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we've got it right up here

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in twitter right now this is fade to

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black we'll be right back after this

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jimmy church tonight mick west

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is here escaping the rabbit hole that's

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what we're gonna try to do tonight

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we'll see tomorrow night don schmidt

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wednesday night jason quit thursday

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back uh back to mcwest and okay mick

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um i'm going to start with a blanket

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01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:20,880
statement

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01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:23,920
which is this when i first saw

1602
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,599
the videos a few years ago um

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01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:30,240
and i saw from a variety of sources the

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01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:31,119
releases

1605
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,920
came out later and the public side came

1606
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,119
out later but

1607
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,280
uh when i first saw them i was like holy

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01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,640
crap

1609
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,760
and i now

1610
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,760
when i see the videos it's been going on

1611
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:45,760
for me for about two years now now when

1612
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,839
when now when i see the three videos the

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01:06:52,029 --> 01:06:48,880
gimbal uh

1614
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,039
tic tac and go fast i don't see anything

1615
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,400
extraterrestrial whatsoever

1616
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:57,920
i i just don't see it but people

1617
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:01,039
still believe i ran a poll last week

1618
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,160
and it was it was split 50 50.

1619
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,760
and i had hundreds and hundreds of

1620
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,160
responses and and comments on

1621
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:11,200
on that poll and and i'm surprised by

1622
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:12,240
that

1623
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,160
is it because it is the power of

1624
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:18,799
suggestion that with the power of

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suggestion

1626
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:22,880
then people see the videos and and

1627
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,400
then they see what they see to agree it

1628
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,760
is yeah there was there was a thing in

1629
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:28,799
the news today

1630
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,839
uh trump was at a rally or another some

1631
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,760
sort of speech and somebody shouted out

1632
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,799
a word

1633
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,559
and some people thought the guy shouted

1634
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:37,920
out monkey

1635
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,039
and so they uh they put this

1636
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,599
this video up online and said this guy

1637
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,880
shouts out a monkey and you listen to it

1638
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,359
the first time and it sounds like monkey

1639
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,280
and then someone else says it's not

1640
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,520
actually monkey it's actually spygate

1641
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,799
and then you listen to it again and

1642
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:54,000
you're like oh yeah it's actually

1643
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,039
spygate

1644
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,280
but because you're primed to hear it as

1645
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,960
monkey it sounds like monkey the first

1646
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:00,640
time around but it's actually

1647
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,680
the guy saying spygate and it just

1648
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,000
it just got got mistaken and that's kind

1649
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,680
of what happens with the videos

1650
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,000
if someone says here's a video of an

1651
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,680
amazing flying saucer like flying

1652
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:13,119
sideways and then turning to stand on

1653
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,240
its side

1654
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,719
then that's what you're going to see uh

1655
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,719
but then i come along and i try to

1656
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,719
explain what's actually going on

1657
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,960
my explanations aren't quite as

1658
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,400
accessible as just saying oh it's not

1659
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,640
actually that it's actually this

1660
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:29,520
so i can't correct it as easily as you

1661
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:30,560
can correct

1662
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:33,759
most mistakes of this nature well i

1663
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:37,600
uh i made a statement i i had to go back

1664
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,000
and and

1665
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,400
watch your videos over the last couple

1666
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:41,759
of weeks but

1667
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,319
uh because of what i had said i went and

1668
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:46,560
looked at the videos again last month

1669
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,319
and really looked at him uh closely

1670
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,640
and then i went back again because this

1671
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,319
next wave of

1672
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:56,560
ttsa supporters started to come out the

1673
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,440
new articles

1674
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:00,719
uh you know from leslie and and

1675
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,759
yeah the the tv show the the

1676
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,799
fox and tucker and all of that stuff so

1677
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,080
i went back again

1678
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,640
and and looked at the videos and i wrote

1679
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:12,319
an article

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01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,279
that i write each week and and what i

1681
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:17,759
stated was this

1682
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,440
if you this is what i see and especially

1683
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,560
uh with uh the tic tac video i have a

1684
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,480
lot of cameras

1685
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,440
nice cameras i have tripods i have video

1686
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,520
i have this i have a studio

1687
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:34,560
uh separate from the radio studio and

1688
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,679
i can go into that studio and grab one

1689
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,520
of the adjustment arms on one of the

1690
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,600
tripods while i'm looking in the camera

1691
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:44,000
and move it left to right

1692
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,600
that's what i'm seeing in the tic tac

1693
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,040
video right

1694
01:09:52,349 --> 01:09:50,319
that type of movement

1695
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,359
yeah that that's what i'm seeing is

1696
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,159
stabilized

1697
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:57,520
platform and

1698
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:00,560
and i can't get away from that when i

1699
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:01,120
see

1700
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:04,000
the tic tac video so then i went back

1701
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:05,120
and watched

1702
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,199
your uh your videos again

1703
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,719
and especially your tic tac presentation

1704
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:15,600
now let's let's focus on that for a

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01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,159
moment

1706
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,520
okay the tic tac

1707
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,400
video uh which it's also called

1708
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,159
something else what's it called

1709
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,960
fleur yeah yeah well clear one or the

1710
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:27,920
nimitz video

1711
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:34,800
what is happening there with

1712
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:38,239
the movement of the object that is

1713
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:41,679
uh shown in this video well first of all

1714
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,080
like

1715
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,280
of juggling your camera and seeing

1716
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:47,040
things move around in the frame is a

1717
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,920
pretty good one

1718
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:50,000
but there's a real danger here of kind

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01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,199
of

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01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,760
uh tacking on an explanation which is a

1721
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,120
little bit too simple

1722
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,800
uh for what's actually going on because

1723
01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,440
these are very very complicated cameras

1724
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,800
the the app layer system is

1725
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:05,520
uh it's got you know this big ball on

1726
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,320
the end of a

1727
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:08,480
kind of a cylinder type thing and you

1728
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,600
think oh that's just like a

1729
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,679
pan tilt zoom camera which we've all

1730
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,199
seen these little security cameras that

1731
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,360
go up and down left and right

1732
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:18,640
and it kind of is but it doesn't really

1733
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,120
use

1734
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:21,520
that pan tilt and zoom to track the

1735
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:22,880
objects

1736
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,600
all the time it uses an internal system

1737
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,440
of gimballed mirrors

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01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,560
which are mirrors mounted on axes so

1739
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,320
they can rotate in one direction

1740
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:35,040
and it has three of those that reflect

1741
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:35,360
the

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01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:39,040
camera

1743
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,239
there's actually uh

1744
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,440
two two cameras an infrared camera

1745
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:47,840
and a visible light camera and then

1746
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:48,640
there isn't just

1747
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:52,719
one set of lenses there's this

1748
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:56,000
uh lenses for wild peak wild field of

1749
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:56,560
view

1750
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,480
isn't even really a lens as such it's

1751
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,840
more this kind of a way of

1752
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,719
bypassing uh what they call the a4 core

1753
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,600
four optics

1754
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,520
so it gets really really complicated oh

1755
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,040
and then beyond that

1756
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,800
after the the image has gone through all

1757
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,400
these mirrors and these these

1758
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:16,800
diverters and these four optics it gets

1759
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:17,440
into the back

1760
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:20,000
section of the camera the big cylinder

1761
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,199
where the actual

1762
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,719
sensors are and it the light then hits

1763
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,360
those

1764
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,040
sensors but because the stuff in the

1765
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,719
front has all been rotating

1766
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,080
it has to go through another device

1767
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,000
called the derotation device

1768
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,920
which is this uh fancy set of mirrors

1769
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:35,520
which is arranged in a certain way so

1770
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,159
that

1771
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,920
it reflects the image back around

1772
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:42,000
and can arbitrarily rotate it by any

1773
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,040
angle

1774
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,960
and so you've got this really really

1775
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,960
complicated set of things going on and

1776
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,199
it's very difficult to just take your

1777
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,880
everyday experience i don't mean you

1778
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,400
specifically but for anybody to take

1779
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,920
their everyday experience

1780
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,920
and try to understand exactly what's

1781
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,520
going on even if you work with

1782
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:00,000
say security cameras or or even certain

1783
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,080
types of high-end uh

1784
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,719
flir cameras you might not have the same

1785
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:06,880
types of things going on

1786
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:10,239
so what's actually going on in this this

1787
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,560
uh

1788
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:13,679
this this nimitz video is

1789
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,400
the pilot chad underwood saw something

1790
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,560
in the distance he got a lock on it

1791
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,199
and the lock he got was what's called an

1792
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:22,560
auto track

1793
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:28,080
visually if i went to a better word but

1794
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,679
what it's doing is it's looking at the

1795
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,280
the video output that's coming from

1796
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,120
whatever camera is is

1797
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,440
being displayed on the screen and it's

1798
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:36,960
seeing you know what's in the middle

1799
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,760
of that that screen and you know they'll

1800
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,080
be like usually a uh

1801
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,159
a blob of some sort or a plane or

1802
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,000
something like that and then the system

1803
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,159
will track that plane and that's what's

1804
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,080
going on you see these two bars

1805
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:53,440
on either side of the object

1806
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,480
uh but then chad chad underwood

1807
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,880
is trying to get better pictures you're

1808
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:00,080
trying to get a better look at what's

1809
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,960
going on because

1810
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,400
all you're seeing is this kind of blurry

1811
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,920
blob because it's so far away and it's

1812
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,880
going to be out of focus

1813
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,040
and it's very small and they have poor

1814
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:08,560
lighting i think that's another factor

1815
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,440
here

1816
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,360
uh it's backless so it's probably you

1817
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,400
know around dusk or dawn

1818
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,760
so it's cycling through all these

1819
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,120
different modes trying to get better

1820
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,960
pictures but every time he cycles

1821
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:20,640
through a mode that means he's got to

1822
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:21,920
change

1823
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:25,600
of changing either from infrared

1824
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,440
to uh to visible light or it's changing

1825
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,360
from a wide field of view to a narrow

1826
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,120
field of view and these changes

1827
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,159
involve actual physical movements um

1828
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:38,800
with uh with the changes in the field of

1829
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,360
view

1830
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,360
you actually have to change mirrors

1831
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,000
around to divert the the light path

1832
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,040
uh with the infrared thing i'm not sure

1833
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,120
exactly but you probably have to change

1834
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,960
uh mirrors internally to divert it from

1835
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,000
one camera to the other you could

1836
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,520
perhaps split it and just

1837
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:56,080
flip over but either way whenever you're

1838
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,679
switching between these modes there is

1839
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,040
some kind of

1840
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:01,440
disruption or interruption of the video

1841
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,080
image

1842
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:04,960
and because the auto tracker relies upon

1843
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,440
that

1844
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,000
video image to actually track the object

1845
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,600
it's going to lose track of it

1846
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:11,840
during that transition and you see this

1847
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,640
happen

1848
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,560
every single time that there's some kind

1849
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,679
of disruption

1850
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,360
it's not just disruptions with the

1851
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:19,280
cameras changing modes as well there's

1852
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,159
actually

1853
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,880
a couple of times in the video where the

1854
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,520
object

1855
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,000
appears to move in a tight little circle

1856
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,000
and that's what's called a gimbal

1857
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:30,800
correction or a gimbal roll where the

1858
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,360
outer

1859
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,280
housing of the camera has kind of

1860
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,480
reached a certain limit

1861
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,159
which is when it's pointing straight

1862
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,000
ahead and tracking something that's down

1863
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,080
a bit where it has to do this big

1864
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,120
rotation and that disrupts the image

1865
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:44,719
and that means it loses track and so

1866
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,199
this happens multiple times throughout

1867
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,360
the video and each time it loses track

1868
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:51,120
you see it moves a little bit to the

1869
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,159
left

1870
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,600
is that the camera itself

1871
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,600
is tracking this object now this is

1872
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:59,280
another thing that causes a lot of

1873
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,760
problems

1874
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,840
with comprehension of these videos

1875
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:03,679
especially the gopass video

1876
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,199
is that this camera is locked on really

1877
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,120
really tightly to the thing it's

1878
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,800
tracking it's locked on so

1879
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,640
tight it doesn't look like it's tracking

1880
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,840
it it doesn't look like it's it's

1881
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,679
following along

1882
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:17,040
it just looks like you're looking at a

1883
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:19,040
static scene but the object is actually

1884
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,000
moving left

1885
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:21,520
at a certain angular rate and you can

1886
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,800
you can work that out from the numbers

1887
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,080
that are at the top of the screen

1888
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,239
right and the amount that it actually

1889
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,159
moves when it loses lock

1890
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,480
is exactly the same as that angular rate

1891
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:32,080
so all that happens is it just keeps

1892
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,800
losing lock

1893
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,719
and then eventually at the end it loses

1894
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,400
lock doesn't regain it goes off the side

1895
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:37,920
he loses it that's it

1896
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:45,910
the movement of the tic tac

1897
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:49,600
in that fleer video in the tic tac video

1898
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:54,400
is not some extraordinary anti-gravity

1899
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:58,560
movement up left upright set out out

1900
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,760
that is just the camera adjusting on the

1901
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:02,960
lock

1902
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:05,840
essentially yes it's uh it's it's two

1903
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,400
things it

1904
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,800
one is it's losing lock in some way so

1905
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:09,520
the

1906
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,679
you've got here is you just got a

1907
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,679
say let's say it's a different distant

1908
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,679
plane it's probably a distant plane

1909
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,360
uh say it's like 40 miles in front of

1910
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:25,440
you and it's flying kind of away from

1911
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:25,760
you

1912
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,360
and to the left and it's flying at

1913
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,280
level altitude and it's not doing

1914
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:33,040
anything at all in particular it's just

1915
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,560
flying in a perfectly straight line so

1916
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:36,239
the camera's locked on to that plane

1917
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,360
flying to the left

1918
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,199
and so he's tracking it gradually moving

1919
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,640
to the left like

1920
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,280
one degree every like four seconds or

1921
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:44,800
something like that

1922
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:48,320
and uh every so often chad underwood

1923
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,199
changes the

1924
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,520
the camera or something happens to

1925
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:53,520
interrupt the video stream it loses lock

1926
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,080
a bit

1927
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:56,239
and so it can't track it anymore so it's

1928
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,159
no longer locked on like like a

1929
01:18:01,270 --> 01:18:00,880
like uh you know really strong lock it's

1930
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,280
got

1931
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,600
uh it has to expand its search area or

1932
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:04,719
it's not

1933
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:08,080
starts to drift to the left

1934
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,520
and then you see it expand the search

1935
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,920
area and it grabs it locks on again

1936
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,440
camera moves back into the position he

1937
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:16,239
continues with this really solid look

1938
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,239
the uh the testimony

1939
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,719
and certainly the conversation with chad

1940
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:23,679
underwood

1941
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:27,040
uh especially recently uh is

1942
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:30,320
there i'm not sure

1943
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:33,360
if he is directly trying to say that the

1944
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:34,320
movement

1945
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,840
that is happening in the video

1946
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,679
that is not caused from the camera that

1947
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,600
this object is doing all of these

1948
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,840
erratic moves and we're trying to lock

1949
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:45,280
back onto it

1950
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:48,239
it's a acting erratically it's not the

1951
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:49,360
camera movement

1952
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,880
and when i hear him say those things

1953
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:55,920
i know what it's like to follow an

1954
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,320
object with say a pair of binoculars or

1955
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,760
a video camera

1956
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:02,560
or anything else and you're moving and

1957
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,040
and

1958
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:05,600
it's the object not making these erratic

1959
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:06,480
movements

1960
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:10,560
it's you trying to track it yourself

1961
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:14,159
yeah yeah and uh here you know it's not

1962
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,480
it's

1963
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,640
not manually being tracked no but you

1964
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,239
understand what i'm saying indeed yes

1965
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:19,920
you see this

1966
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:22,560
yeah you see the same effects with your

1967
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,360
eyes

1968
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,400
as you do with uh what these cameras and

1969
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:28,320
the software is doing trying to attract

1970
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,040
this

1971
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,040
the erratic movements

1972
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,679
it's the camera itself or you with your

1973
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,520
unsteady hands holding a beneath

1974
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,600
a tripod if you're using uh something

1975
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:41,360
with very high magnification like a lot

1976
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,920
of people

1977
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,679
in uh the flat earth community have this

1978
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,199
camera called a

1979
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,199
nikon p900 which is really high

1980
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:49,920
magnification and there's a p1000 now

1981
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,560
and

1982
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,040
uh when you zoom in even though it's got

1983
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:55,120
image stabilization it's really hard to

1984
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,719
keep something in frame because which is

1985
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:58,080
about one degree

1986
01:20:02,550 --> 01:19:59,840
field of view or less than i think it's

1987
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:02,560
actually 0.35

1988
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,320
degrees in uh in the tic tac video

1989
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,520
but it's very very hard to keep

1990
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,360
something in frame it's

1991
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:11,520
it's hard for a human and it's actually

1992
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:12,560
kind of hard for

1993
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,960
for a robot because it's a very very

1994
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,159
small movement

1995
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:19,920
that's that's going on so uh a small

1996
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,400
divergence from that means that it's

1997
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,639
actually quite easy for it to lose lock

1998
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:26,080
when it's like really zoomed in like

1999
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,800
that

2000
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,800
and yeah you've had experience yourself

2001
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,840
i'm sure of doing things like looking at

2002
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:33,920
venus through high-powered binoculars

2003
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:36,400
and then you you lose it and then you

2004
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:37,760
try to get it back and

2005
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,360
it's really hard to get something back

2006
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,440
in very high magnification once you've

2007
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,719
actually lost it

2008
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,159
so i think that kind of explains why he

2009
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,920
didn't get it back afterwards

2010
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:50,000
now that one of the biggest points that

2011
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:51,360
is made

2012
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,840
in this video is one of the

2013
01:21:02,070 --> 01:20:58,880
biggest red flags for me where i'm not

2014
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,080
seeing what i am

2015
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:04,719
what they're trying to sell me which is

2016
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:05,920
the end of the video

2017
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,000
when the object uh moves to the left

2018
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:12,800
now when that happens i'm going back to

2019
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:14,000
my tripod

2020
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,760
looking at what i am saying i remember

2021
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:21,280
when i first thought i went wait a

2022
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,159
minute

2023
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,360
that's not alien technology that's a

2024
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:28,800
camera that that

2025
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,480
that is not alien attack that is not any

2026
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:34,239
gravity going to the left

2027
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:37,280
that is the camera staying in one

2028
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:37,920
position

2029
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,960
and is slowly panning to the right it

2030
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:43,120
feels like that's the movement that is

2031
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,520
there

2032
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,040
it's not the object that is moving

2033
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:50,800
rapidly to the left it is it's the plane

2034
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:53,920
the the the source of that movement

2035
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:56,639
is from the camera system on the plane

2036
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:57,040
no

2037
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:00,080
like

2038
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,520
either you're moving or the object's

2039
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:04,000
moving now we know that

2040
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,840
the object is moving relative to the

2041
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,679
plane because we

2042
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,360
we see the angle at the top of the

2043
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,960
screen change it starts out i think at

2044
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,239
two degrees left and

2045
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,840
two degrees right and ends up eight

2046
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,159
degrees left so we know the camera is

2047
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,000
panning to follow this object

2048
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,639
which means that that object is moving

2049
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:22,000
so what's actually happening right at

2050
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,480
the end

2051
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:25,600
isn't that the the plane uh with the

2052
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:26,080
camera

2053
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:27,679
is moving to the right is the object is

2054
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,239
simply continuing to move to the left

2055
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,880
and the plane has stopped panning it's

2056
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,159
no longer tracking it

2057
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:36,080
because i lost the lock right which is

2058
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:37,520
my point

2059
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,440
so what we what it what they want

2060
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,679
you to i'm talking about the viewers

2061
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:46,320
right what they want you to believe

2062
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:49,840
is that it is moving at a

2063
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,360
ultra high speed with anti-gravity alien

2064
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,360
technology to the left and

2065
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:58,320
the camera system can't lock on it

2066
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:58,639
that's

2067
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,159
no sense whatsoever because it's not

2068
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:03,920
really moving that fast this angular

2069
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,880
velocity is not

2070
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:07,040
not very big at all like this this

2071
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,480
system is meant to track

2072
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:11,120
uh you know quite quite dramatic things

2073
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,000
and they say

2074
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,480
it must be dramatic because it lost lock

2075
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,760
but it would also

2076
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,239
look exactly the same if you just simply

2077
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,480
lost lock because the camera

2078
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,920
was going through this this field of

2079
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,239
view change which it is yeah it's this

2080
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:27,280
is this weird coincidence if this isn't

2081
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,239
what's happening

2082
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:30,320
that every single time the camera

2083
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,440
changes mode

2084
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,040
it does this little loss of lock

2085
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:35,120
widening the bars the thing drifts a bit

2086
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,920
to the left

2087
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,760
and this happens every single time and

2088
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:39,520
the last time is just simply

2089
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:43,280
the one time when it didn't regain lock

2090
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,320
the um uh the object i i need to uh

2091
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,239
hear what you have to say about this at

2092
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,920
the beginning of the video the object

2093
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,440
has a different shape

2094
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:56,320
yeah it's more of a it's more of a tic

2095
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,800
tac

2096
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:59,120
shape right it's more of an oval shape

2097
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:00,320
at the

2098
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,360
yeah now that's interesting an

2099
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:08,880
interesting thing i think

2100
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:12,560
um it you gotta look at the two

2101
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,440
different

2102
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,880
modes that you're looking at in this

2103
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,520
infrared mode which says ir

2104
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,280
at the top of the screen and then

2105
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,719
there's the visible light mode which

2106
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,760
says tv

2107
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,159
at the top of the screen and there's

2108
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:26,239
very very different things going on in

2109
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,679
these two modes

2110
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,400
if you just just look at the infrared to

2111
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,679
start off with

2112
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,120
at the start of the video it's in

2113
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:34,880
infrared and

2114
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:37,760
if you look at this object it looks like

2115
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:38,080
a

2116
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:45,920
kind of

2117
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,080
that's making this shape uh it's not the

2118
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,600
actual shape of the object i mean people

2119
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,480
aren't saying

2120
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:56,480
the tic tac is this weird star-shaped

2121
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:57,520
object

2122
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:58,719
if you go back and look at it you know

2123
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,760
you can look right at the start of the

2124
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:01,679
video it starts out small in one time

2125
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,080
zoom

2126
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:05,120
see this fairly clearly it's got this

2127
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:06,080
this weird

2128
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,120
uh kind of an eight-armed star shape

2129
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,360
and people don't talk about that but

2130
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,440
it's it's quite quite significant really

2131
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,440
but then they switch into the tv mode

2132
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,199
which is the visible light mode

2133
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,760
and here you're seeing a black object

2134
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,679
and this actually starts out

2135
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:24,400
i would say starting out more like a tic

2136
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:24,880
tac

2137
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,840
in in this mode in the tv mode and then

2138
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,120
it turns into

2139
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,080
more of what i've described uh as a

2140
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:33,760
peanut shaped which is kind of you know

2141
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:34,639
there's classic

2142
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,760
uh peanuts in its shell it's kind of two

2143
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,679
two bulbles things with their narrowing

2144
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:40,800
in the middle

2145
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:45,360
and uh it it moves fairly smoothly from

2146
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,560
one shape to the other

2147
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:47,840
it's getting bigger so that means it's

2148
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:50,239
getting closer but then it switches back

2149
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,760
to infrared again

2150
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:53,280
and now you've got something that looks

2151
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:54,800
more like a white tic tac

2152
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:57,920
shape except that it's wider on the

2153
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,560
right than it says on the left and i

2154
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:02,480
think what's going on there

2155
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,679
is the widening on the right

2156
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:07,040
is essentially the same as this big

2157
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:08,639
starfish type thing you were seeing

2158
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:09,520
earlier

2159
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,120
but because it's now further away um

2160
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,480
actually it's getting further is it

2161
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,719
further away it's closer now it's closer

2162
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,400
now it's closer so you can see more of

2163
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,239
the plane itself

2164
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,480
and so this this glare at the end is

2165
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:24,320
smaller relative to the plane

2166
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,679
and so it just appears kind of a

2167
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,600
widening because it's still

2168
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:29,120
a very small number of pixels at that

2169
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:30,480
point it's very hard to make anything

2170
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,120
out

2171
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:33,840
so you've got the actual shape of the

2172
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,400
plane

2173
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,760
itself showing up in infrared plus

2174
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,520
the glare showing up in infrared and

2175
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,199
people talk about this uh

2176
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:44,000
infrared signature uh which really just

2177
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,400
means

2178
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,639
what it looks like in infrared it sounds

2179
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,320
more complicated than it actually is it

2180
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,000
isn't some kind of weird

2181
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,080
you know frequency wavelength signature

2182
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:53,679
or anything like that it's just

2183
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:57,040
what it looks like in infrared uh and

2184
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,840
uh it's i think if you go through the

2185
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:01,440
various different things it's all pretty

2186
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,400
consistent with

2187
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,520
some kind of jet powered object that

2188
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:06,800
starts out

2189
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,800
um possibly facing the camera

2190
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,639
because you get this this big glare at

2191
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,239
the start so it's possibly

2192
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,040
facing the camera uh maybe putting on

2193
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,800
afterburners so it's a lot hotter

2194
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:20,480
then they switched to tv mode so you

2195
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:21,840
can't you don't see a continuous

2196
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:24,000
infrared thing which is a real shame

2197
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,120
and then when you come back to the

2198
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,600
infrared thing it's now

2199
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,440
perhaps turned a bit more to the left

2200
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,360
and so the engines aren't pointed

2201
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:33,040
directly at you because they're still

2202
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:34,080
flaring a little bit

2203
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,000
which is why the infrared looks a bit

2204
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:38,080
bigger on the right than on the left

2205
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,320
and then the the visible lighting this

2206
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,159
black kind of you know weird

2207
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:45,600
tic tac morphing into a peanut shape uh

2208
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:48,320
it's it's hard to say what that actually

2209
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,120
is

2210
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,440
but because it's so out of focus it

2211
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:53,360
could quite easily be something like

2212
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:56,560
uh like a plane like say an fa-18 it

2213
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,679
could even be

2214
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,280
the other plane of the group you know

2215
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,040
the only talk about the one plane

2216
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:03,760
chad underwood's playing perhaps his uh

2217
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:04,320
her

2218
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:07,440
this his wingman was flying a few miles

2219
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,320
ahead and uh

2220
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,600
underwood uh took a video of him or

2221
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,679
perhaps it was someone in another group

2222
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,120
something another plane but yeah i think

2223
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:17,840
it's it doesn't move

2224
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,480
in any way that's inconsistent with a

2225
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,320
plane just in level flight

2226
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:25,280
now let me i've got uh two minutes

2227
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,400
before the break

2228
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,280
at the end of the video this is another

2229
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:30,800
part that everybody wants to talk about

2230
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:31,520
that it just

2231
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:35,040
zooms away at this incredible speed um

2232
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:38,719
i i don't see that but there's something

2233
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,320
else that happens right there that most

2234
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,639
uh don't catch and don't understand

2235
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:46,719
because of the power of suggestion

2236
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,760
that at that moment it goes from uh one

2237
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,120
zoom to 2x

2238
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,480
zoom yeah and so would that

2239
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,520
explain this what appears what they're

2240
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:59,840
going to say is a sudden acceleration

2241
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,520
it's not that it's that it's zoomed in

2242
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:03,679
more it makes it look a lot more

2243
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,480
significant

2244
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:06,480
if you actually correct for that zoom at

2245
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,760
that point uh it

2246
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:09,520
it's essentially just kind of drifting

2247
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:11,120
off to the left

2248
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,239
not very fast at all everyone i think

2249
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,719
has has been primed by people saying

2250
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:18,719
it's got this fast acceleration and even

2251
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,120
when

2252
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,719
it's been explained to them and shown to

2253
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:23,120
them it's really hard to actually watch

2254
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,080
that and not

2255
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,560
see it like oh suddenly like right it's

2256
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:28,159
almost like it's warp speed going off to

2257
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:29,120
the side but it's

2258
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:31,199
it's not it's just simply everything is

2259
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:32,880
doubling in size

2260
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:35,280
over one frame and so all it is is just

2261
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:38,400
an instant digital zoom

2262
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:42,000
the uh the distance i've got 30 seconds

2263
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,159
how far away was chad from this object

2264
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:47,760
it's impossible to say because he says

2265
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:50,159
he got a ping and it was he said around

2266
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,760
20 miles away other people have said

2267
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,120
like different distances

2268
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:54,800
but it could quite easily be he got a

2269
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:56,480
ping he looked in that direction and

2270
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,040
then

2271
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:59,280
the video lock locked onto something

2272
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,080
else that was

2273
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:03,199
like yeah 40 miles away now is it

2274
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,920
possible i can't i don't think i could

2275
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:06,960
see this

2276
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:10,400
is it possible for uh for a pilot

2277
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:14,239
to see an object that is 10 or 20 feet

2278
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:19,040
uh in size from 20 miles away

2279
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:21,040
you would just see like a spec basically

2280
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:22,400
and depends on the atmospheric

2281
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,280
conditions

2282
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:26,080
uh so it looks like it was backlit so he

2283
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:26,880
would have seen

2284
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:29,920
essentially a black speck right had he

2285
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:31,840
been able to find it in the sky

2286
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:34,159
so it also depends on other things like

2287
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,600
what is the cloud cover and what is

2288
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,280
behind it and things like that

2289
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:39,440
so theoretically yes but practically it

2290
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,400
would be difficult

2291
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:43,040
yeah because the descriptions that when

2292
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:43,520
i'm not

2293
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:46,639
trying to in any way discount

2294
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:49,679
uh the pilot's testimony that i haven't

2295
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:52,400
interviewed them and and so forth but

2296
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:59,110
i don't have any details of this craft

2297
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:00,639
you know i don't have

2298
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:02,880
how is that possible no i mean if you

2299
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,719
look at most planes flying overhead when

2300
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:06,080
they're flying directly overhead

2301
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:07,600
there may be like you know five six

2302
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:10,080
miles up uh so if you're thinking about

2303
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:11,199
something that's

2304
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:14,560
uh 20 to 40 miles away and

2305
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,480
not very large if it's something like an

2306
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:17,760
fa18

2307
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:18,719
then you're not gonna be able to see

2308
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,719
anything no let's take our break right

2309
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,400
here this is fade to black i'm here with

2310
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:24,159
jimmy church tonight nick west

2311
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,080
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2312
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2387
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,920
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2388
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:05,040
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2389
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:08,159
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2390
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:09,440
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2391
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2392
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2393
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,760
host jimmy church tonight mick west

2394
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,360
got lots to talk about tonight we're

2395
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:02,880
going through

2396
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:06,400
the three u.s navy air quotes here

2397
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,400
ufo videos just discussed the tic tac

2398
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:12,560
and uh mick i want to move on to the

2399
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:13,679
gimbal

2400
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:16,960
and the this is

2401
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:20,159
this gets a little bit this gets a

2402
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:20,719
little bit

2403
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,119
technical um yeah you thought the last

2404
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:24,800
one was technical this one is really

2405
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,360
technical

2406
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:27,760
except now this is where i'm going to go

2407
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:28,719
with an accept

2408
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:32,560
except your your explanation

2409
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:35,840
is is spot on and and your presentation

2410
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:38,639
on what is going on here is spot on

2411
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:42,080
but i think um i think it's actually

2412
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:45,520
easier to grasp than you think i i

2413
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:46,239
really do

2414
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:49,679
and so my my take

2415
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:52,880
especially when i watch gimbal now it

2416
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,000
looks

2417
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,280
absolutely mechanical

2418
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:00,719
the movement of the

2419
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,400
object in the video is not

2420
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,560
what you would see from something in

2421
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,480
flight like making these right

2422
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:11,440
that would be a different view if it was

2423
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,159
like

2424
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:15,679
rotating the craft was what i

2425
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:20,239
see is uh you know like a kaleidoscope

2426
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:21,360
or something that you're

2427
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:24,400
you know whatever you're twisting that's

2428
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:26,239
that's what's going on here it's

2429
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:27,440
something

2430
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,040
craft

2431
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,600
it's uh from the from the airplane and

2432
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:35,119
its camera system

2433
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,239
the spinning on the video is

2434
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,520
not from the object now when you say

2435
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:43,760
something like that

2436
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,480
most people don't understand how it's

2437
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,080
possible to keep

2438
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:51,119
the horizon and the clouds in one

2439
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,040
space and not moving and the craft is

2440
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:58,080
rotating so therefore it must be the

2441
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:58,719
craft

2442
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,080
it can't be the camera system

2443
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,880
but i see it i see it the opposite so

2444
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:05,760
what

2445
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:13,440
well if you take a flashlight and you

2446
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,480
point it at

2447
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,719
your camera you hold your cell phone up

2448
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:18,400
and you stick a flashlight on a bookcase

2449
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:20,159
across the room or just on a chair or

2450
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,360
whatever

2451
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,760
and you point your camera at this

2452
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,440
flashlight

2453
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:27,840
so you you get this kind of bright glare

2454
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:30,320
you'll often get kind of like a streak

2455
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:32,560
going across your your camera a little

2456
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:33,360
bit

2457
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,880
now if you keep pointing this uh camera

2458
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,800
at the flashlight and you rotate the

2459
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:40,400
camera

2460
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:45,440
the the glare kind of rotates around

2461
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,790
the background well let's see the

2462
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,040
background does rotate around as well

2463
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:56,639
but it's the problem is it's very

2464
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,760
difficult to figure out in your head

2465
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:58,960
what's actually going on

2466
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,639
there's a funny experiment you can do

2467
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:02,639
with just no camera at all

2468
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:05,679
if you take take a flashlight and hold

2469
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,040
it in front of you

2470
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:09,199
close one eye and then look at this

2471
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,639
flashlight with the

2472
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:12,320
squinting with the other eye so it's

2473
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:13,520
nearly closed you're looking at it

2474
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,480
through a slit

2475
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,280
and then you move your head from left to

2476
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:19,440
right just tilt it from left to right

2477
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:22,400
you will see the shape of the glare from

2478
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,280
the flashlight actually rotates

2479
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,360
and this is it's kind of interesting

2480
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,960
because you it makes you think like

2481
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:31,040
why isn't the entire room rotating when

2482
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,239
i rotate my head

2483
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:35,360
if my eye is rotating why does the room

2484
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,239
not rotate

2485
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,880
and the answer is your brain is actually

2486
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:40,480
taking that image that's coming in from

2487
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:41,679
your eye and it's

2488
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,719
it's rotating it back upright again

2489
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,320
it's correcting for the tilt of your

2490
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,560
head so when you look forward and you

2491
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,560
tilt your head from left to right

2492
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,320
everything still remains upright because

2493
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:54,560
you've got this this mental derotation

2494
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:55,360
of the image

2495
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,880
right but the glare because the glare

2496
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,920
is always relative to your eye in this

2497
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,440
case you know the slit of your eye and

2498
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:05,119
your eyelashes is what's making this

2499
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,239
glare

2500
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,159
that actually rotates and you see it

2501
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:10,000
rotating in the scene

2502
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,119
and that essentially is what's going on

2503
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,040
in the gimbal video although it's a lot

2504
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,040
more complicated like we talked earlier

2505
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,840
about the camera system how it has uh

2506
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,800
these these

2507
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,800
big external gimbals and there's this

2508
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,400
big ball on the end of a cylinder and

2509
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:25,840
then these internal mirrors and then

2510
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:26,719
these

2511
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:30,480
derotation mechanism and then the actual

2512
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,199
camera

2513
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:33,360
it's going to go through all that now

2514
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:34,639
something

2515
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,679
in that camera is making a glare be the

2516
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,960
shape it is

2517
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,639
and i guess we're going to stop step

2518
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:42,320
back a little bit here and say like you

2519
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:42,560
know

2520
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,480
what are we actually looking at if you

2521
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,639
look at the the gimbal video

2522
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,639
it looks in many ways like a classic

2523
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,000
flying saucer

2524
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:52,159
like hovering above the clouds it's it's

2525
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,040
longer

2526
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,600
than it is is tall but it's got this

2527
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,040
kind of cross-shaped

2528
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:59,840
kind of vaguely ovoid shape which looks

2529
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,159
like

2530
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:02,239
a flying saucer it's kind of tempting to

2531
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,440
interpret that

2532
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:05,040
but it's really you can kind of think of

2533
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:06,480
it i think more as a

2534
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,679
i guess a diamond shape and i think what

2535
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,119
we're actually seeing here

2536
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:13,440
is a glare and another thing that

2537
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:14,960
confuses people is that

2538
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:18,080
it's black and you expect a glass to be

2539
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,679
white so you think of it as being this

2540
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:21,199
black object that's flying

2541
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,960
over the ocean but if you look in the

2542
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,719
bottom left corner of the video it says

2543
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,080
blk

2544
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,560
and at the top it says ir and that means

2545
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:29,679
it's infrared

2546
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:33,199
and it's black hot so hot objects appear

2547
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,880
as black it's basically essentially

2548
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,560
inverting the video

2549
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,760
so if you've got something that's very

2550
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,600
very hot in the video it acts the same

2551
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,280
as your flashlight would look like

2552
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:42,960
when you point your flashlight to the

2553
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,119
camera it's like a very very bright

2554
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,800
infrared source because it's very very

2555
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,960
hot infrared source

2556
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:51,119
and so it creates a glare and this just

2557
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:52,320
this this kind of

2558
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:53,840
diamond shape just happens to be the

2559
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,800
shape that the camera makes and i don't

2560
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,320
know exactly why it's that shape but

2561
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,480
i've seen similar shapes in in other

2562
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,920
cameras it's just you get different

2563
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:04,239
glass shapes from different cameras

2564
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,080
okay now i just uh it's funny you just

2565
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:10,159
described how to do that i did it with

2566
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,600
my cell phone camera

2567
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:14,400
i've got multiple i'm a big flashlight

2568
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:16,239
guy i've got flashlights all over my

2569
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:17,119
studio

2570
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,719
and so i'm looking at it on my cell

2571
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,239
phone camera and then i've got

2572
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:22,880
cameras in studio here that broadcast

2573
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,600
out

2574
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:26,080
uh over the internet and i'm flashing

2575
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,639
the flashlight at the camera

2576
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:31,440
and there it is the i mean there's the

2577
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:32,000
glare

2578
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:36,480
doing it right now

2579
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,679
yeah okay so but yeah i see

2580
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,360
i've got the youtube up oh you're

2581
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:44,159
watching it okay good good

2582
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,440
and that shape that you have of the

2583
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,280
glare it actually was

2584
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,400
it wasn't symmetrical it wasn't uh

2585
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,360
it wasn't a a circle no it actually is

2586
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:55,199
wider in one direction than in another

2587
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,639
direction because of

2588
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,800
something going on inside the camera and

2589
01:43:02,229 --> 01:43:00,400
you've got little spikes coming from it

2590
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,239
and if you look closely at the the

2591
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:03,760
gimbal video you will see those same

2592
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,639
little spikes

2593
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,239
and you'll notice you also you can't

2594
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,800
really see the flashlight because it's

2595
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:10,480
completely covered and a lot of your

2596
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,800
hand is obscured by this glare as well

2597
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:13,760
that's right so

2598
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:16,159
if you replace this flashlight and uh

2599
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:17,360
your hand with a

2600
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:19,920
a jet with uh jet engines being the

2601
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:21,040
flashlight

2602
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,480
that's essentially what's happening yeah

2603
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,480
that's what we're looking at um see this

2604
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:26,960
tiny little flashlight's one inch long

2605
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:27,760
right

2606
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,840
okay everybody look at the camera so

2607
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:31,040
that's that's that's

2608
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:35,119
it but you would never know that that is

2609
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,239
this you wouldn't know you would not

2610
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:41,040
you wouldn't yeah very interesting okay

2611
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:41,679
but

2612
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:45,280
now the rotation

2613
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,880
how is it possible to rotate the object

2614
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:52,080
and not rotate the scene in the

2615
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:53,840
background the horizon the clouds

2616
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,159
wouldn't they all rotate together

2617
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:59,199
sure uh if you just well

2618
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,520
what actually happens is you can do this

2619
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,280
experiment yourself if you take

2620
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,880
your flashlight and point your cell

2621
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,040
phone at it and then you rotate the cell

2622
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:08,560
phone you will see

2623
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:11,119
uh things rotating the scene but you

2624
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:12,639
will see that

2625
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:15,679
the glare is rotating relative to the

2626
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,400
background

2627
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,320
so it's no longer at the same angle as

2628
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,560
it was before

2629
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,520
now what if you then take that entire

2630
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:25,040
image and you rotate it

2631
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:28,800
back so the uh everything is the right

2632
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:29,119
way

2633
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,560
up then it'll look like the scene itself

2634
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:34,320
hasn't rotated oh

2635
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:38,320
man that is trippy yes you're absolutely

2636
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:43,199
you're absolutely 100 correct

2637
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:47,440
the background is not moving of course

2638
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,560
but the glare is yeah

2639
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,560
holy crap that's from from your

2640
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:54,000
perspective now from the camera's

2641
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,360
perspective

2642
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,400
uh the glare isn't moving but the

2643
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,000
background is

2644
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:03,440
so if you take what that take that image

2645
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,480
and put it on a

2646
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,639
screen that isn't rotating and did

2647
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,239
nothing it would look like that was

2648
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,760
rotating yeah so to

2649
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,000
correct that for the fighter pilot they

2650
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:14,080
have to rotate the entire image

2651
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:16,480
so the horizon is in the right place

2652
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:17,920
which makes the glare look like it's

2653
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,950
and i want ever okay where can everybody

2654
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,880
go and watch your videos let's move on

2655
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:27,280
uh

2656
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:35,840
everywhere

2657
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:38,960
mick west on youtube yeah the um

2658
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:41,600
you do i want everybody to go and watch

2659
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:42,960
the gimbal video

2660
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,800
that you present online because you go

2661
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:48,960
to your garage

2662
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:50,560
i think it's your garage right you've

2663
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:53,119
got your garage door in the background

2664
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:56,840
you've got the glare you're

2665
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:00,320
moving the camera but the

2666
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:03,760
but the garage door doesn't move

2667
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,280
but the glare is bleeping rotating like

2668
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:09,679
a carousel

2669
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,159
yeah well it's actually uh it starts out

2670
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:14,000
with the garage door does move but the

2671
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,239
doesn't move and so because i want the

2672
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,679
garage door to be level

2673
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:19,679
yeah i rotate it back and then it looks

2674
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:21,360
like the glare is moving now that

2675
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:23,679
that video is is titled uh you know why

2676
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:24,480
does that

2677
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:25,760
why does the glare rotate when the

2678
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,679
horizon does not

2679
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:29,840
and you can see it on my channel in the

2680
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:32,480
uh the navy videos playlist

2681
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:34,960
now when i when i watched that section

2682
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:35,760
of the video

2683
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:40,080
i sat back and i go what why

2684
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,280
why have issues with mick west

2685
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,600
right this is clearly showing what is

2686
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:47,679
going on in the gimbal video

2687
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,000
it may not be exactly what is going on

2688
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:52,320
but if you can do it in your garage

2689
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:54,960
well then obviously the software and the

2690
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:55,760
ability

2691
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,679
to rotate the ir image

2692
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,440
right because the camera's rotating for

2693
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:03,600
whatever reason it is rotating

2694
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,800
but the background is not

2695
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,400
yeah they actually discuss it in the

2696
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:11,040
patent for the the affiliate system

2697
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:14,239
the uh they the

2698
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:16,159
way they have the mirrors tracking

2699
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,400
things in the front means that when the

2700
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:19,840
front of the

2701
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,119
uh camera rotates the image rotates and

2702
01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:25,040
they have to de-rotate it

2703
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:27,280
and they have this d rotation mechanism

2704
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:28,960
specifically mentioned

2705
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:31,920
in the pattern now people get confused

2706
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,000
and they say like well

2707
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:36,560
how could the d rotation rotate the

2708
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:37,040
glare

2709
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,960
independently of the horizon and it's

2710
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,320
not the derotation

2711
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,400
mechanism is rotating the entire image

2712
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,159
so it rotates the glare on the horizon

2713
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,159
just like we were doing just then

2714
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,320
but the glare has already moved relative

2715
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,320
to the horizon or

2716
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,159
depending on from your perspective the

2717
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,159
horizon has moved relative to the glare

2718
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:55,920
because you rotated the camera

2719
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,440
relative to the horizon it's confusing

2720
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:01,119
and i understand why why people don't

2721
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,280
get it but if you can get people to go

2722
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,000
through the various

2723
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,760
steps like you just did and actually do

2724
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,520
the experiments or or

2725
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:10,320
for a start watch my videos then you

2726
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,679
know it's something that people

2727
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:13,600
are capable eventually of understanding

2728
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:15,520
but it is

2729
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,920
it's it's kind of hurts your head a bit

2730
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:19,280
trying to think about this is rotating

2731
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:20,800
that's rotating it's relative there's

2732
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,119
the

2733
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,239
it's

2734
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,800
i understand why people uh think i'm

2735
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,280
performing mental gymnastics as

2736
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:32,159
joe rogan said about it uh because it

2737
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,520
does seem like i'm having to jump

2738
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,800
through a lot of hoops

2739
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,800
but once you actually see it in action

2740
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,960
it's could be nothing else

2741
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:41,360
yeah and uh i'm just watching there's a

2742
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:42,159
tweet just

2743
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,320
popped up saying you know i'm not buying

2744
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,080
it these are six million dollar

2745
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:48,800
camera systems not a cell phone camera

2746
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,440
and then

2747
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:51,199
by a statement like that that's from

2748
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:52,480
mark in australia

2749
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:55,119
a statement like that actually says the

2750
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,320
opposite

2751
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:59,040
if you can do this with a cell phone

2752
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,239
camera and

2753
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:03,440
and and look at this certainly a six

2754
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:04,320
million dollar

2755
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:08,080
system has the ability to rotate the

2756
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,800
object

2757
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,040
and not interfere with the background

2758
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,119
it's actually very simple

2759
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,040
and they would be able to do it and

2760
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:16,639
especially for the pilots

2761
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:18,000
where you're looking at it where you're

2762
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,599
not interrupting

2763
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,360
shape being defined by the front part of

2764
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,960
the camera and then the d rotation

2765
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,320
that's needed for

2766
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,560
uh the movement of the camera as a whole

2767
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:38,159
and that's like another whole

2768
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,000
kettle of fish trying to explain why is

2769
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:42,560
the camera rotating in the first place

2770
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,880
and the reason it's rotating is for this

2771
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,960
this this gimbal lock issue

2772
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,920
which is to do with the uh the way the

2773
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:51,760
camera is mounted it's mounted

2774
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:54,719
forward in a way that you can't smoothly

2775
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:56,000
pan from one side

2776
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:58,239
to the other you need to kind of

2777
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,360
readjust your orient around zero degrees

2778
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:04,000
and that's about when it does this this

2779
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,040
this gimbal roll

2780
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:08,000
this gimbal correction which you don't

2781
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,960
see

2782
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:10,400
because it's corrected for in the

2783
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:12,400
de-rotation mechanism

2784
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,719
so that you don't see the horizon move

2785
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,000
when the camera moves

2786
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,560
because it's derotating it but because

2787
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,080
the camera's moved

2788
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,480
the glare is no longer at the same angle

2789
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,320
because the horizon has moved

2790
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,760
and then when it rotates the horizon

2791
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:28,000
back to where it was before the glare

2792
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,560
looks like it's moved how did you how

2793
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:31,840
did you perform this

2794
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,599
experiment uh in your video how did

2795
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,080
is there is there some special software

2796
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:39,920
or can anybody just set up

2797
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:43,920
super special uh i i basically

2798
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,320
did uh i i i got a small camera

2799
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,400
there's like kind of a gopro type camera

2800
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,080
and small cameras tend to give like

2801
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:54,639
uh yeah just they're easier to set up

2802
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,119
for this

2803
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:56,719
and set it up so i could rotate around

2804
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:58,000
its main axis and then just just

2805
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:58,960
basically filmed

2806
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:01,840
the the glare with the garage door in

2807
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,960
the background

2808
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:05,360
and then you can either do some kind of

2809
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,400
motion tracking

2810
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,199
to derotate it you know your goal is to

2811
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,800
make the garage door level or your

2812
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,880
horizon level or whatever is level so

2813
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:14,400
you could you could use some kind of

2814
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,440
motion tracking to do that but i

2815
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,960
actually just did it manually in

2816
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:17,679
photoshop

2817
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:20,000
i just uh set a couple of points and

2818
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:21,440
then you know moved a few frames and

2819
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,199
then rotated it and just made it

2820
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:26,159
made it stay level uh so but you've got

2821
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,639
to do

2822
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:29,040
something to it you know the camera

2823
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,639
itself does it

2824
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:32,480
uh optically it's got this optical

2825
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:34,000
derotation mechanism

2826
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,520
which is something that you're not going

2827
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,560
to find in a a regular camera so

2828
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:40,560
it's hard to duplicate that thing but

2829
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:41,840
you can duplicate the brace

2830
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:44,880
the basic principle here the if the

2831
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,920
the glare shape is caused by something

2832
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:49,040
in the camera

2833
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:52,480
and the camera rotates then the glare

2834
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,400
shape the orientation of the glare

2835
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:56,719
stays the same the horizon moves the d

2836
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:59,199
then you derotate it by doing whatever

2837
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,960
and put the horizon back where it was

2838
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:02,960
looks like the glare is rotated

2839
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:06,639
yeah because if i if i videoed

2840
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:10,159
what i just looked at in my

2841
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:13,679
cell phone with the glare rotating

2842
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:17,280
the phone right now the background okay

2843
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:20,159
so the background is staying in the same

2844
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:20,880
position

2845
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:23,920
but the glare

2846
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,040
is moving with the cell phone camera but

2847
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:29,440
if you take that what you just did there

2848
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:30,239
and actually

2849
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:34,080
take a video and then play the video

2850
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:37,760
you're gonna see the entire scene rotate

2851
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:41,040
but the glare will stay uh in the same

2852
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:41,920
position

2853
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,560
right and then but you don't want the

2854
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:46,080
scene to rotate so then you have to

2855
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:47,840
derotate it which means it rotates the

2856
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:48,400
glare

2857
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:52,719
right man it's it's a bit head hurting

2858
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:55,440
no it's actually not it it's the

2859
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:56,239
opposite

2860
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,119
if you're listening to your description

2861
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,679
yeah the head stops hurting when you

2862
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:04,560
just point a

2863
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,760
flashlight at your cell phone

2864
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,360
while you're looking at the image and

2865
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:11,280
then just rotate the cell phone and look

2866
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,000
at it

2867
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:15,280
yeah it all becomes very very uh very

2868
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:16,320
clear at that point

2869
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:17,760
no point the switching thing the

2870
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:18,960
squinting thing is an interesting

2871
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,159
experiment as well because you do have

2872
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:22,400
this mental derotation

2873
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:26,159
which is a little a little confusing

2874
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:27,840
but uh yeah another thing about the

2875
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:29,119
gimbal video you've got to be clear here

2876
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:30,320
what we're talking about when we say

2877
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,880
glare

2878
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,480
because people look at this and they see

2879
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,800
like a black object surrounded by

2880
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:37,199
a white light and they think that the

2881
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,840
glare

2882
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:39,520
is this white light surrounding the

2883
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,159
object and then they get all confused

2884
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,159
but that white light surrounding the

2885
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:45,920
object when you think about it is

2886
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,880
actually a

2887
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,960
a dark light because it's an inverted

2888
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:50,159
image so uh

2889
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:52,960
black is hot and white is cold so much

2890
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,080
is made of that people

2891
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:56,480
say that you've got this this white aura

2892
01:54:03,109 --> 01:53:59,599
this this cold aura around the object

2893
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:03,119
but that's actually just uh a well-known

2894
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,480
artifact of thermal imaging cameras uh

2895
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:08,560
called uh what's basically a sharpening

2896
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,599
artifact but it's

2897
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:11,280
the unsharp mask filter which is

2898
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:12,560
probably something you've used in your

2899
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:13,840
photography

2900
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,199
uh is a simple sharpening filter

2901
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:19,360
that if you apply it to infrared it

2902
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:23,280
makes the edges of things very clear and

2903
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:25,599
if it's the contrast is very high it

2904
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:26,719
creates an aura

2905
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:28,639
around these things i have a video

2906
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:30,159
demonstrating this you take the exact

2907
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:31,040
same shape

2908
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:34,080
you just stick in an unsharp mask uh on

2909
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:35,760
on the object or on the on the entire

2910
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:37,920
scene in fact and you get this aura

2911
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:38,719
around things

2912
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:42,560
so that white aura around the object is

2913
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:43,679
not the glare

2914
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:46,239
the glare is the black shape itself and

2915
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,760
the little spiky bits that are

2916
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:49,920
sticking out from it so you're saying

2917
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:51,119
that that aura

2918
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:54,800
isn't an anti-gravity bubble to prevent

2919
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,599
g-forces against the abuse of a

2920
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:59,440
biological body

2921
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:01,599
inside of aircraft that's entirely

2922
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,639
possible

2923
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:05,040
you're supposed to laugh it looks

2924
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:06,000
exactly like

2925
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:08,639
uh the unsharp mask filter i mean it

2926
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:10,080
obviously that's what it is there's lots

2927
01:55:14,550 --> 01:55:11,360
of other examples

2928
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:14,560
if you look for infrared videos

2929
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:17,679
or online you'll see half of them have

2930
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,360
some kind of artifact like this around

2931
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,000
them including videos of jets

2932
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,920
uh they'll have this this glare around

2933
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:25,280
them and you can you can even see it in

2934
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:25,760
the

2935
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:29,199
floor one video

2936
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:32,000
it's got this kind of aura around it

2937
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,440
which is the same thing it's just it's

2938
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,040
just a sharpening artifact

2939
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:38,400
uh from the from the system now what

2940
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:40,480
when we come back after the break uh

2941
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:42,080
we're gonna jump over to the go fast

2942
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:43,679
video which i think is even more

2943
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:46,320
fascinating uh than the other two uh for

2944
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:47,599
a lot of different reasons

2945
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:50,480
yeah a lot less unfascinating too as

2946
01:55:56,750 --> 01:55:52,480
well as the other two videos

2947
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,760
but um when we have these three videos

2948
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:58,560
associated with

2949
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:01,599
the eyewitness testimony

2950
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:04,960
and the a description from the pilots

2951
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,840
and the crews

2952
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,920
of of what they were seeing both on

2953
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:10,560
radar and with their own eyes

2954
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:13,199
things moving at you know faster than

2955
01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:14,159
the speed of light

2956
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:16,960
and 18 80 000 miles whatever these

2957
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:18,159
numbers are

2958
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:20,880
dropping from 80 000 feet to sea level

2959
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:22,639
in the matter of a second

2960
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,679
um those are not the same descriptions

2961
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:28,080
of the objects that were seen in these

2962
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:29,360
videos

2963
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:32,560
so what do we do with that well i think

2964
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,599
we have to treat them as different

2965
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:35,199
events i think it's very easy to

2966
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,800
conflate everything and say these are

2967
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,320
all the same types of things but we

2968
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,080
they're all different you got these in

2969
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,560
the fleur example the nimitz tic tac

2970
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,400
uh you've got a video of something

2971
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:46,080
that's not doing anything special

2972
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:48,560
then you've got radar accounts of things

2973
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,920
like dropping out of the sky which we

2974
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:51,199
don't see on the video

2975
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,960
and then you have visual accounts of

2976
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,480
things like bouncing around like a ping

2977
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:56,239
pong ball and shooting up to the horizon

2978
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:57,520
which again is different from the other

2979
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:59,119
two things this entirely horizontal

2980
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:00,480
movement rather than

2981
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:02,719
uh there's this strange rapid vertical

2982
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:03,920
movement and then you've got this other

2983
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,920
accounts of this slow moving drifting

2984
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,199
objects

2985
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:08,960
that hang around the fleet for days

2986
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:10,719
which is another thing entirely

2987
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:12,960
so you can't say you know they saw these

2988
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,560
things with their own eyes or they saw

2989
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,840
the radar because they're all

2990
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:17,199
they're all different things and there's

2991
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:19,360
no real link between them

2992
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:23,360
yeah i i kind of feel that way as well

2993
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:26,000
and i i don't want to again you know

2994
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:27,360
dave fravor and you know

2995
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:30,080
pilot deck all that you know great guy

2996
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:31,440
obviously

2997
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:33,040
i'd go out and have a beer with him i

2998
01:57:38,229 --> 01:57:35,119
think he's a he's a great guy

2999
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:38,239
but what he was describing

3000
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:41,599
was not people are thinking that

3001
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:44,560
because when he describes what he saw

3002
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:46,880
they run the video at the same time

3003
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:50,080
so the audience is assuming that this is

3004
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:51,199
dave fravor's

3005
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,599
object right and that that yeah

3006
01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:55,760
sometimes they run the gimbal video when

3007
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,000
it's actually the tic tac video which is

3008
01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:00,800
a really really boring video

3009
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,320
and then tick tock because it's it's

3010
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:04,320
entertaining the gimbal video because it

3011
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:05,599
looks like a flying saucer

3012
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:08,400
right right now when we come back we're

3013
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:09,360
going to talk about

3014
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,119
go fast and again

3015
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:16,239
this this is probably more

3016
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:19,760
mundane it may be the right word

3017
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:22,960
but actually the way that uh

3018
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:25,199
you analyze this with some pretty

3019
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,800
serious math

3020
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:29,199
and and the way that you broke this down

3021
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:30,800
i think it is one of the more

3022
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:33,199
enlightening videos because of what the

3023
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:34,960
pilots are saying

3024
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:38,560
in the in the radio right in the audio

3025
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:39,760
along with this

3026
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:43,119
it's not actually adding up for me i i

3027
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:43,440
don't

3028
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:46,960
the math and we're going to go through

3029
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,800
all of that when we come back

3030
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:51,040
this is fade to black i am your host

3031
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:52,159
jimmy church

3032
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:55,040
our guest tonight mick west we're

3033
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:57,040
talking about and breaking down

3034
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:00,880
the three air quotes ufo

3035
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:03,920
videos from the navy gimbal tic tac and

3036
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:05,040
go fast

3037
01:59:15,470 --> 01:59:14,070
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3038
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mick i want to move on

3165
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uh to the go fast video now

3166
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uh i want to approach it like this

3167
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when my my

3168
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my view of the go fast video

3169
02:05:10,069 --> 02:05:08,159
uh was not your conclusions that's not

3170
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what i mean hold on strike that

3171
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what i mean is your video cleared things

3172
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up for me

3173
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:18,159
my my comments about the

3174
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:21,840
go fast video is i want to know

3175
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:24,320
what they were seeing this group of

3176
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:24,960
things

3177
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:28,800
before and after this particular shot

3178
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:31,840
i think that is you know that would be

3179
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:35,280
very very very revealing about what is

3180
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:36,400
going on here

3181
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:40,239
then i watched your video um

3182
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:44,880
wow okay so first off

3183
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:48,000
is the object in

3184
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:51,599
the go fast video moving at

3185
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:54,480
two-thirds the speed of sound no it's

3186
02:05:56,629 --> 02:05:55,040
not

3187
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,639
uh but if you look at the bottom of the

3188
02:06:02,069 --> 02:05:58,639
screen you see a little

3189
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:02,079
m 0.61 i think it is which is about

3190
02:06:05,910 --> 02:06:03,599
two-thirds the speed of sound that's the

3191
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:05,920
mach number and what that is

3192
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:09,360
is the uh speed of the plane and i think

3193
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:10,960
you know that quote you're talking about

3194
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:12,880
there it comes from unidentified

3195
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:14,320
and they say it's moving at two-thirds

3196
02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:16,239
the speed of sound i think

3197
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,320
the producers actually kind of spliced

3198
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:20,480
that in into the conversation and moved

3199
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:21,679
things around

3200
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:23,119
uh they were asking what is the speed

3201
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,560
that the jet flying at oh it's been

3202
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:26,320
moving at two thirds the speed of sound

3203
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:27,599
and then they kind of splice that in and

3204
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:29,599
made it sound like that's what the uh

3205
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:32,320
the go fast object itself was moving at

3206
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:32,800
but

3207
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,880
uh it looks like it's moving really

3208
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,079
really fast

3209
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:37,840
and if it was moving over the ocean's

3210
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,400
surface if it actually was moving as as

3211
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:42,560
it looks like it's moving

3212
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:44,639
the illusion it would actually be moving

3213
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:46,239
around two-thirds the speed of sound

3214
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:47,119
because

3215
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,159
the motion of the object is actually

3216
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,480
an illusion created by the motion of the

3217
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,400
jet itself the jet that's

3218
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:57,119
filming it with the camera is actually

3219
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:58,560
essentially hardly moving at

3220
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:01,119
all if anything is moving around like 40

3221
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:02,239
knots

3222
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:05,599
so it's moving it's moving at uh

3223
02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:10,239
uh a couple of dozen miles per hour

3224
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,920
yeah essentially about what would be

3225
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:13,840
wind speed not wind speed down

3226
02:07:18,069 --> 02:07:16,480
at the ocean surface but wind speed at

3227
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:18,079
uh around 13 000

3228
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:20,960
feet which is the other interesting

3229
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:22,400
thing is that it looks like it's

3230
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:24,079
actually moving very very close to the

3231
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:25,040
ocean

3232
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:27,599
but uh as you go through the video you

3233
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:29,520
see some numbers pop up which are the

3234
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:30,480
range numbers

3235
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:33,520
you see it says 4.4 4.3 range

3236
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:35,440
which is the distance in nautical miles

3237
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:36,960
from the camera to

3238
02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:40,079
to the target to the object well 44

3239
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:44,159
40 miles per hour and 500 miles per hour

3240
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:46,719
that's two different numbers

3241
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:48,719
uh yeah they're very very very very

3242
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,000
different numbers okay

3243
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:52,400
so it's virtually stationary it's

3244
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:54,079
virtually stationary i think essentially

3245
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:55,679
what we're looking at is something that

3246
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:57,840
is just drifting with the wind

3247
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:59,280
and it looks like he's moving really

3248
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:01,440
really fast because he's got a lock

3249
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:05,040
on it and his jet the pilot's jet is

3250
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,480
moving at two-thirds of the speed of

3251
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:09,119
sound it's moving at max 0.61

3252
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:12,400
which that altitude is is not the same

3253
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:15,679
uh speed as as of the ground now let's

3254
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:16,239
break this

3255
02:08:28,229 --> 02:08:25,589
ttsa and others uh

3256
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:28,239
around them we don't need to just go

3257
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,840
down the list of names it's a waste of

3258
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:30,639
time

3259
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:34,800
but they want the viewer of this video

3260
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:38,400
to think that power of suggestion

3261
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:40,960
that this object is skimming along the

3262
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:42,800
surface of the ocean

3263
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:45,840
it is not what is the actual

3264
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:48,960
altitude of this object the actual

3265
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:50,480
altitude is thirteen

3266
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:52,480
thousand feet approximately give or take

3267
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:53,520
five hundred feet

3268
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:56,560
thirteen thousand feet thousand feet

3269
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,079
thirteen thousand feet higher than

3270
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,880
the surface of the ocean yes exactly

3271
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,079
thirteen 000 feet above

3272
02:09:08,550 --> 02:09:06,079
sea level and you can see from the

3273
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:08,560
indicator on screen that the jet itself

3274
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:12,079
is at 25 000 feet which is about twice

3275
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:15,199
13 000 feet which will be 26 000 feet so

3276
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:16,000
the object

3277
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,119
essentially is almost exactly halfway

3278
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:22,159
between the jet and the ocean so if you

3279
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:23,119
think about

3280
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,199
imagine a line that goes from the jet

3281
02:09:28,149 --> 02:09:27,040
through an object that's not moving to

3282
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:28,159
the ocean

3283
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:29,840
and you move the jet at two-thirds the

3284
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:31,760
speed of sound the other end of that

3285
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,079
line

3286
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:34,800
if it's pivoting around this stationary

3287
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:35,199
object

3288
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,480
is also going to be moving at two-thirds

3289
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:38,639
of the speed of sound so your field of

3290
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:39,599
view

3291
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:42,239
is skimming over the ocean at two-thirds

3292
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:43,360
the speed of sound

3293
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,440
but the object itself isn't actually

3294
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:46,719
moving

3295
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:50,000
now how do

3296
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:53,599
you come to the conclusion

3297
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:57,040
that the object is at 13 000 feet we've

3298
02:10:01,270 --> 02:09:58,960
got to do some math here don't we

3299
02:10:02,310 --> 02:10:01,280
yeah yeah it's not too complicated

3300
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:02,320
because we have

3301
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:04,960
the two numbers that we need uh if you

3302
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:05,920
think back to your high school

3303
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:07,840
trigonometry you have

3304
02:10:11,589 --> 02:10:09,840
sine equals opposite over hypotenuse

3305
02:10:14,950 --> 02:10:11,599
you've got a right angle triangle

3306
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:14,960
the sine of the angle is the

3307
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:17,119
the opposite side of the triangle

3308
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:19,040
divided by the long side of the triangle

3309
02:10:22,950 --> 02:10:20,560
now here we have

3310
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:22,960
uh two of those three numbers so in that

3311
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:24,400
equation so we have

3312
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:27,840
4.3 range which is 4.3 nautical miles

3313
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:28,639
that's the

3314
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:32,079
the hypotenuse in our triangle

3315
02:10:36,709 --> 02:10:35,119
we have 27 degrees down

3316
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:36,719
which is the angle the camera is

3317
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:39,360
pointing down that's the angle

3318
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:41,840
so given the hypotenuse in an angle we

3319
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:43,760
can work out what the opposite side

3320
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:46,480
of that triangle would be which is the

3321
02:10:50,390 --> 02:10:46,960
height

3322
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:50,400
below the plane

3323
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:52,159
if you think of it a kind of inverted

3324
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:54,239
triangle upside down triangle

3325
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:57,119
the the distance to the to the object is

3326
02:11:00,310 --> 02:10:57,679
the long

3327
02:11:00,709 --> 02:11:00,320
side of the triangle the the drop down

3328
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:00,719
is

3329
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:04,239
can work that out so it's a very simple

3330
02:11:08,470 --> 02:11:05,040
equation

3331
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:08,480
the sine of 27 degrees is

3332
02:11:12,069 --> 02:11:11,119
the distance below the plane divided by

3333
02:11:13,350 --> 02:11:12,079
the range

3334
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:13,360
so you've got all those numbers you can

3335
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:15,920
work it out and you just plug those in

3336
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:17,440
you can stick them into google if you

3337
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:19,520
want and it will it will actually

3338
02:11:22,830 --> 02:11:22,079
google calculator he'll come out as

3339
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:22,840
being

3340
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,480
uh 12 000 feet below the plane

3341
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:28,880
and you subtract that 12 000 feet from

3342
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:31,679
25 000 feet and it gives you 13 000 feet

3343
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:33,760
which is the altitude above the surface

3344
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:36,159
of the ocean so it's really simple math

3345
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,400
a lot a lot of people though will not be

3346
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:40,239
able to do that math because most people

3347
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:43,040
do not do trigonometry they might they

3348
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:44,480
might do it at high school they might

3349
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:45,040
not

3350
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:48,560
get that far or they might forget it

3351
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:50,320
straight away but most people do not use

3352
02:11:54,629 --> 02:11:51,440
trigonometry

3353
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:54,639
in their everyday life and so

3354
02:11:58,470 --> 02:11:57,199
it can be again a slightly confusing

3355
02:12:00,390 --> 02:11:58,480
argument to follow

3356
02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,400
if you don't know trigonometry if you do

3357
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:02,159
know trigonometry it's a really really

3358
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:03,599
easy argument to follow

3359
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:05,440
and even if you don't know trigonometry

3360
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,000
this is literally the simplest

3361
02:12:12,229 --> 02:12:10,159
trig that there is sine equals opposite

3362
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:12,239
over hypotenuse sounds complicated

3363
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,719
like big greek words but you know it's

3364
02:12:17,589 --> 02:12:16,000
it's really simple math

3365
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:17,599
and you can just use the two numbers

3366
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:19,520
that are on the screen and they remain

3367
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:20,400
consistent

3368
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:23,360
it starts at a 4.3 range and it's 27

3369
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:24,719
degrees down

3370
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:26,480
you go all the way to the end of the

3371
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:29,679
video it's 3.8 nautical miles range and

3372
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,280
31 degrees down

3373
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:33,199
and you do the math on those two numbers

3374
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:34,960
you get the exact same number so it's

3375
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:36,960
consistent throughout the entire video

3376
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:38,480
it's an object that stays at the same

3377
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:40,719
altitude and isn't really moving very

3378
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,119
fast

3379
02:12:44,390 --> 02:12:43,679
it's actually very simple when you go

3380
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:44,400
and

3381
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:51,440
how you uh you know you get the altitude

3382
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:53,119
you actually do it twice because you

3383
02:12:56,709 --> 02:12:54,639
have two sets of numbers

3384
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:56,719
at two different points in time in the

3385
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,480
video it's very simple

3386
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:01,119
you have the distance in nautical miles

3387
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:02,960
that's the bottom of the triangle

3388
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,119
you have the degrees that the plane is

3389
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:07,440
looking at which is 26 degrees

3390
02:13:11,669 --> 02:13:09,840
you've got your two you've got your two

3391
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:11,679
numbers that you need to complete

3392
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:15,679
the equation the last one is the result

3393
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:18,639
which is the altitude which is the final

3394
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:20,239
part of the triangle

3395
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:22,719
which comes out to 12 000 feet 13 000

3396
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:23,440
feet

3397
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:26,639
and you present that twice

3398
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:29,360
what is interesting here for everybody

3399
02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:30,560
is

3400
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:32,639
you've got the altitude of the airplane

3401
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:35,280
right there it's showing at 25 000 feet

3402
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:38,239
level flight that's not changing you

3403
02:13:42,069 --> 02:13:39,440
subtract the 12

3404
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:42,079
000 feet from the altitude you've got

3405
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:43,199
the remainder

3406
02:13:47,669 --> 02:13:45,760
which is the altitude of this object

3407
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:47,679
which is not at sea level

3408
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:51,040
but it's at frigging 12 000 feet or 13

3409
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:52,000
000 feet

3410
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:54,239
which is a whole noth a whole nother

3411
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:55,520
thing most people don't

3412
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:58,560
understand uh that they are

3413
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:01,280
being told it's at sea level skimming

3414
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:02,320
along

3415
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:05,440
at 500 miles an hour that's not the case

3416
02:14:09,189 --> 02:14:08,000
it's actually at 13 000 feet and

3417
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:09,199
stationary

3418
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:13,119
you're just getting the illusion

3419
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:15,440
of really really fast movement because

3420
02:14:19,750 --> 02:14:17,520
yeah the object itself is not moving on

3421
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:19,760
screen what's moving is the ocean behind

3422
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:20,400
it

3423
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,159
and part of the problem is what we

3424
02:14:24,550 --> 02:14:24,000
talked about earlier is these cameras

3425
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:24,560
are

3426
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:26,560
incredibly good at locking onto things

3427
02:14:29,589 --> 02:14:28,000
and tracking them

3428
02:14:31,189 --> 02:14:29,599
and it's doing this really really good

3429
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,199
job of of tracking this

3430
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:33,679
this thing which looks like it's moving

3431
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:35,440
from the camera's perspective as well

3432
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,840
the camera's perspective is the same as

3433
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:39,440
you know what you're looking at it's

3434
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:40,960
it's seeing something

3435
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:43,360
that relative to the plane itself is

3436
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:44,960
actually moving because

3437
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:47,199
it's stationary and we're flying past it

3438
02:14:50,390 --> 02:14:48,880
it's like you're in a train and like a

3439
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:50,400
telegraph pole flies by

3440
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:51,840
the telecom pro isn't actually moving

3441
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:53,520
very fast

3442
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:55,280
it's probably not moving at all uh but

3443
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:57,520
it looks like it's flying past you and

3444
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,840
if you were to lock on with your camera

3445
02:15:03,189 --> 02:15:01,199
to a telegraph pole

3446
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:03,199
obviously it would get bigger if you

3447
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:05,119
look on something that's further away

3448
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,960
you get this illusion of movement and

3449
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:08,560
the other thing that

3450
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:11,280
finally draws you know really makes this

3451
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,079
compelling

3452
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:14,800
is that we're zoomed in all the way so

3453
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:16,320
we're seeing this this

3454
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:18,560
almost a hundred times zoom in kind of

3455
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:20,159
consumer camera terms

3456
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:23,040
this very very narrow field of view so

3457
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:24,079
it really

3458
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:28,560
uh amplifies the the illusion of motion

3459
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:31,520
then and and i i encourage everybody to

3460
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:31,840
go

3461
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:37,599
video presentation on this channel

3462
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:38,400
because

3463
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:41,760
after all of the trig after the

3464
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:44,960
motion of the plane slowly moving to the

3465
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:47,360
to the left right it's there's a slight

3466
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:48,560
arc there

3467
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:52,239
you have the distances off in

3468
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:55,280
uh in the distance going to where this

3469
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,320
object is

3470
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:59,040
but that's not the that's not the close

3471
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:00,800
that's not the deal close

3472
02:16:03,990 --> 02:16:03,679
the deal close is the balloon that you

3473
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:04,000
show

3474
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:07,119
at the end of the video and

3475
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,239
describe to everybody what this balloon

3476
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:12,480
is actually doing

3477
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:15,280
it's uh it's basically some people in a

3478
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:16,960
helicopter were testing out this new

3479
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:18,000
technology they had

3480
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:21,520
for kind of basically uh locking onto

3481
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,719
objects and then showing

3482
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:24,800
showing maps of where they were so there

3483
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,480
was lots of information on screen that

3484
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:28,079
showed exactly what was going on which

3485
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:29,440
was great we were able to analyze the

3486
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:30,239
video

3487
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:34,719
just essentially drifting slowly in the

3488
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:35,200
wind

3489
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:37,359
at about perhaps 10 miles an hour if

3490
02:16:42,150 --> 02:16:38,319
that

3491
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:42,160
which is moving rapidly at about 100

3492
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:43,519
miles an hour

3493
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:45,840
and they're all a bit closer to the the

3494
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,559
ground than

3495
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:48,399
in this example but again we get the

3496
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:49,920
same kind of situation

3497
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,280
the balloon is about halfway between the

3498
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:55,840
helicopter and the background behind it

3499
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:58,559
and the camera operator is has locked

3500
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:59,920
onto this balloon and so it's

3501
02:17:02,230 --> 02:17:01,200
essentially tracking it

3502
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:02,240
i think it's actually tracking it

3503
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:03,519
manually but it's essentially doing the

3504
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,399
same thing

3505
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:06,080
and it looks like this balloon is moving

3506
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:07,679
at 100 miles an hour

3507
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:09,840
because you've got the exact same setup

3508
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:10,880
it looks like it's

3509
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,840
we know it's not because it's quite low

3510
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:17,040
to the ground and there wasn't

3511
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:20,000
it wasn't a hurricane that day so it it

3512
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:21,439
was just essentially moving

3513
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:24,559
at uh a fairly slow velocity and yeah i

3514
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:25,200
actually

3515
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:26,880
there's a thread where i get into all

3516
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:28,719
the detail of analyzing exactly where

3517
02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:30,639
this particular balloon was as well just

3518
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:32,479
to show how the math works in a

3519
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:34,559
different example but yeah it looks like

3520
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:36,080
the same thing it looks like it's moving

3521
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:38,319
fast when it's just drifting in the wind

3522
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:42,240
now what do we do with um the audio

3523
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:45,760
of the pilots describing uh what's going

3524
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:46,479
on

3525
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:50,000
with this object in the go fast video

3526
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:53,200
something something smells really fishy

3527
02:17:55,509 --> 02:17:53,599
here

3528
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:55,519
i don't i don't think i don't think it's

3529
02:18:00,950 --> 02:17:57,760
fishy i think what's actually going on

3530
02:18:01,830 --> 02:18:00,960
here is a couple of pilots basically

3531
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:01,840
training

3532
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,399
with this system like they maybe haven't

3533
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:06,000
used it that much before and so they're

3534
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:07,519
experimenting with locking on to

3535
02:18:12,709 --> 02:18:09,040
different things

3536
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:12,719
uh and you see you know you hear one guy

3537
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,519
say

3538
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:15,679
like you know like look at that thing

3539
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:16,719
blah blah blah blah

3540
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:19,840
blah whole fleet of them yeah that's

3541
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,639
that but like

3542
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:22,559
first of all like it he says like did

3543
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:24,319
you box a moving target no i used the

3544
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:26,399
auto track and that's just kind of uh

3545
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,599
about what we talked about earlier with

3546
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:28,960
the other thing is the auto track he

3547
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:29,920
just

3548
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:31,200
uh he moved the camera to the right

3549
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:33,040
position and then the system locked on

3550
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:35,040
it was it wasn't that amazing to

3551
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:36,080
actually do

3552
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:37,519
but yeah it says there's a whole split

3553
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:39,599
of them look at the essay and the essay

3554
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:41,760
is the situational awareness display

3555
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:43,359
which basically displays

3556
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:46,080
uh kind of a god's eye view from above

3557
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:47,599
of everything that's in

3558
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:49,599
within a certain range and then it's

3559
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:50,800
indicated around the edge

3560
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:53,200
for other things so he's saying that

3561
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:55,040
other things are shown up on this this

3562
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:56,559
sa display

3563
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,760
but i think the problem is it's very

3564
02:19:02,230 --> 02:18:59,920
difficult for him to kind of correlate

3565
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:02,240
what he's seeing in the uh in the

3566
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:04,399
infrared video this this this very fast

3567
02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:05,679
moving looking video

3568
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:08,240
with what's on the sa because if he

3569
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:09,760
thinks what he's looking at is actually

3570
02:19:13,669 --> 02:19:11,120
at the ocean surface that would actually

3571
02:19:16,950 --> 02:19:13,679
put it several miles further away

3572
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,960
than it actually is he would actually be

3573
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,800
like around you know around seven miles

3574
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:20,800
away rather than three and a half miles

3575
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:22,080
away

3576
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:24,080
so he may well be looking at something

3577
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:26,000
that isn't actually near

3578
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:29,359
where this particular object is then we

3579
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:30,080
do have

3580
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:33,120
testimony from another pilot who said he

3581
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:35,519
saw a version of this video

3582
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:38,080
that also had a little diamond little

3583
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:41,200
v-shaped formation of five things

3584
02:19:45,750 --> 02:19:43,760
and yeah if that was true that would be

3585
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:45,760
very interesting to see a longer version

3586
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,559
of this video

3587
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:48,240
but you know the navy says this is all

3588
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:49,680
they have this is the only version that

3589
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:50,560
they have

3590
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:52,160
maybe there was another version with

3591
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:54,000
these five things but i haven't seen it

3592
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:55,439
so i can't really speak to it

3593
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:58,800
and so unfortunately you kind of have to

3594
02:20:02,389 --> 02:20:00,479
leave it there this guy claims this one

3595
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:02,399
thing but there's really no real

3596
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,479
evidence it actually happened

3597
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:06,319
he didn't even see the actual thing he

3598
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:08,160
kind of talked about watching the video

3599
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:09,359
later

3600
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:11,040
but you know that's kind of something

3601
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,399
that's unknown and that's that's

3602
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:14,399
unresolved what he actually saw on the

3603
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:14,880
video

3604
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,040
so what do you think is is in the go

3605
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:18,960
fast video do you think it's just some

3606
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:19,840
type of

3607
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:23,200
weather balloon at 13 000 feet just

3608
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:25,600
just out there doing atmospheric

3609
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:26,640
measurements

3610
02:20:30,150 --> 02:20:28,080
yeah i think it probably was some kind

3611
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:30,160
of either a weather balloon or some kind

3612
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:31,600
of

3613
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:35,520
a target

3614
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:37,120
or something kind of sensor or something

3615
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:38,880
like that they release things

3616
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:42,240
that are used as uh targeting

3617
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:44,160
uh things for people to practice locking

3618
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:45,520
on to

3619
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:47,120
essentially for this precise thing you

3620
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:48,880
could you lock onto a balloon or

3621
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:49,680
something

3622
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:52,000
um the ships will lock onto them with

3623
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:53,920
their guns just for practice

3624
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:56,399
uh it could be something like that um he

3625
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:57,120
has people

3626
02:21:01,030 --> 02:21:00,160
here people uh joke about it being a

3627
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:01,040
bird

3628
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,920
uh and that i that is actual a

3629
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:05,200
possibility

3630
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,920
uh that it could actually be a a high

3631
02:21:10,790 --> 02:21:09,200
altitude bird that's

3632
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:10,800
uh you know it has to be fairly well

3633
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:12,560
insulated though this is the the major

3634
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:14,240
problem with this theory

3635
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:17,120
is that it's at 13 000 feet and it

3636
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:18,080
appears

3637
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:21,040
uh cold against uh against the ocean

3638
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,640
surface meaning it's actually colder

3639
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:23,840
than the ocean

3640
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:25,840
but that's just you know 13 000 feet the

3641
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:27,680
temperature of the air is 40 degrees

3642
02:21:30,950 --> 02:21:28,479
colder than

3643
02:21:32,630 --> 02:21:30,960
at the ocean surface so its outer

3644
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:32,640
feathers are going to be very cold

3645
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:35,920
but people people mock me for uh

3646
02:21:39,910 --> 02:21:37,439
bringing up this this seagull

3647
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,920
uh hypothesis but i i don't even think

3648
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,200
it's particularly likely

3649
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:43,840
it's possible and so i i kind of forced

3650
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:46,080
to defend myself against the people who

3651
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:47,680
who mock it like

3652
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:50,960
um jeremy corbell like said he debunked

3653
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:51,600
it by

3654
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:53,760
saying that the thing would be too cold

3655
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:55,280
and he would get hypothermia which is

3656
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:56,560
kind of ridiculous because it's the

3657
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:58,000
feathers on the outside that are cold

3658
02:22:01,830 --> 02:21:59,600
not the body on the inside

3659
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:01,840
but anyway the most likely thing is a

3660
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:03,200
balloon some kind of lighter than

3661
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:04,399
aircraft craft

3662
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:06,840
just drifting in the wind now the

3663
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:08,960
narrator uh

3664
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:12,960
uh in unidentified says this

3665
02:22:16,389 --> 02:22:15,120
uh no object or something i'm gonna

3666
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:16,399
paraphrase right

3667
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:18,080
but i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it in

3668
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:20,160
my narrator voice okay

3669
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:23,359
um nothing can fly without

3670
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:26,479
lift or propulsion yeah he says there's

3671
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:26,800
no

3672
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,319
source of heat propulsion type thing

3673
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:34,000
basically well the narrator

3674
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:35,760
uh and the writer has never been to

3675
02:22:40,870 --> 02:22:37,760
santa fe new mexico for the big

3676
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:40,880
uh uh balloon display that they do every

3677
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:42,399
single year

3678
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:44,560
right isn't that a little bit misleading

3679
02:22:48,150 --> 02:22:45,439
to suggest

3680
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:48,160
yes it is like a helium balloon which is

3681
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:49,600
what a weather balloon is it's just a

3682
02:22:55,670 --> 02:22:50,080
big

3683
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:55,680
aircraft that flies without a source of

3684
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:56,560
heat

3685
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:59,200
and so it's blatantly saying that such a

3686
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:00,640
thing doesn't exist it's just

3687
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:03,439
it's just false and misleading and it's

3688
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:04,160
like have they

3689
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:06,000
actually considered these things and

3690
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,000
then decided not to talk about them or

3691
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:10,800
are they just simply unaware of them the

3692
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:13,120
uh

3693
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:16,160
it could be klingons too it could

3694
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:17,680
it could could be anything that's the

3695
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:19,520
thing if you

3696
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:21,040
i always i always try to make a list of

3697
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:22,640
possible hypotheses

3698
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:25,200
and i tend not to take things off the

3699
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:26,240
list

3700
02:23:30,710 --> 02:23:28,240
because you can always kind of conduct

3701
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:30,720
you can concoct some kind of

3702
02:23:35,510 --> 02:23:33,760
scenario in which it is a certain thing

3703
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:35,520
lots of things would have to fall in

3704
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:36,960
into place and

3705
02:23:40,550 --> 02:23:38,640
uh certain things would have to happen

3706
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:40,560
that are rather unusual

3707
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:43,040
but you know it's possible that it was

3708
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:44,640
aliens pretending to be a weather

3709
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:46,479
balloon it's you know it's possible that

3710
02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:46,960
the

3711
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,240
that has a flying saucer behind it

3712
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:54,800
and it's possible that the the the tic

3713
02:24:00,070 --> 02:23:56,000
tac video

3714
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:00,080
is of a tic-tac-shaped craft that is

3715
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,800
going really slowly in a straight line

3716
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:04,000
and well

3717
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:06,240
changing its shape these things are

3718
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:07,760
possible

3719
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:10,479
but they seem like the most outlandish

3720
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:12,000
explanations so i tend to put them

3721
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:13,760
rather low down on the list and go with

3722
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:15,760
the simple things which are things like

3723
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:19,120
airplanes and balloons well i and i have

3724
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:19,760
said

3725
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:23,359
uh on the record mick that um

3726
02:24:29,750 --> 02:24:27,600
i i want to be wrong

3727
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:29,760
in this case i just want to be wrong i

3728
02:24:34,870 --> 02:24:31,840
hope that in a year

3729
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:34,880
or two i'm wrong and i

3730
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:37,600
invite everybody to slap me around and

3731
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:38,240
say

3732
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:40,560
you know church we told you so it was

3733
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:41,680
aliens and it is

3734
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:44,479
okay great all right and and i'll uh i

3735
02:24:49,750 --> 02:24:44,880
will

3736
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:49,760
greatest day in human history

3737
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:51,200
right yeah it would be awesome it would

3738
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:53,200
be awesome it'd be awesome

3739
02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:54,880
but in this case i just don't think i'm

3740
02:25:01,510 --> 02:24:57,439
wrong nope

3741
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:01,520
the uh the other part of this

3742
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:04,960
is i'm going to ask you uh a very direct

3743
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:06,160
question

3744
02:25:13,110 --> 02:25:09,520
have you ever seen a ufo

3745
02:25:15,429 --> 02:25:13,120
uh not in an interesting way i've seen

3746
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:15,439
boring ufos like white dots in the in

3747
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:16,880
the far distance

3748
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:18,160
right i haven't seen anything that

3749
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:20,319
doesn't have a plausible explanation

3750
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:23,040
do you think that uh i don't want you to

3751
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:24,560
be michael shermer here

3752
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:27,200
okay be the opposite of michael schumer

3753
02:25:32,230 --> 02:25:29,200
do you think that we are being visited

3754
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:32,240
by intelligent civilizations

3755
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:34,319
uh i haven't seen any evidence of it i

3756
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:35,920
mean i guess it's possible

3757
02:25:39,750 --> 02:25:38,479
but uh i think if if we are they're

3758
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:39,760
doing a very good job at

3759
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:42,960
hiding themselves would you be okay if

3760
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:46,560
if et came down and revealed itself

3761
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:48,399
uh it would be quite mind-blowing and

3762
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:50,080
very interesting so i'd certainly be

3763
02:25:52,389 --> 02:25:51,120
okay with it

3764
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:52,399
it would make life a lot more

3765
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:53,840
interesting and you know what they say

3766
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:55,760
about interesting times

3767
02:25:59,990 --> 02:25:59,040
but uh i you know i i'm a big fan of

3768
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:00,000
science fiction

3769
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:03,280
and i i grew up like reading about ufos

3770
02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:04,800
and i grew up reading arthur c

3771
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,080
clarke and i would it would be just

3772
02:26:12,550 --> 02:26:10,399
the most amazing thing ever for aliens

3773
02:26:14,070 --> 02:26:12,560
to exist and to find proof of that and

3774
02:26:15,830 --> 02:26:14,080
for them to visit us

3775
02:26:17,429 --> 02:26:15,840
that would be pretty amazing it might be

3776
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,439
a bit scary no we don't know what's

3777
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:19,120
going to happen

3778
02:26:23,510 --> 02:26:21,359
we're surviving coronavirus so maybe

3779
02:26:27,830 --> 02:26:23,520
this is a warm-up

3780
02:26:30,070 --> 02:26:27,840
what about what about this uh do you

3781
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:30,080
and i know that others actually think

3782
02:26:33,190 --> 02:26:30,960
this but

3783
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:33,200
do you think that we are the only

3784
02:26:37,590 --> 02:26:34,000
intelligent

3785
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:37,600
life in the universe no i don't think so

3786
02:26:44,469 --> 02:26:40,800
i i don't i don't think it's very common

3787
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:44,479
if it does exist and uh it may be

3788
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:46,399
that there's not very much in this

3789
02:26:49,030 --> 02:26:47,600
galaxy and the

3790
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,040
travel between galaxies and

3791
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:50,880
communication between galaxies is very

3792
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:51,840
difficult

3793
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:53,600
so it could be very very sparse i mean

3794
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:54,880
say there's like 10

3795
02:26:58,309 --> 02:26:57,280
civilizations in this galaxy so far

3796
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:58,319
apart that they just haven't made

3797
02:27:00,950 --> 02:26:59,680
contact with each other but throughout

3798
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:00,960
the universe

3799
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:03,680
there's billions of civilizations

3800
02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:05,359
because there's billions of galaxies

3801
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:08,080
how many how many earth-like planets do

3802
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:08,880
you think are

3803
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,080
in our milky way no i i

3804
02:27:15,830 --> 02:27:14,399
really don't know i'm uh off the top of

3805
02:27:16,550 --> 02:27:15,840
my head you probably know better than me

3806
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:16,560
but uh

3807
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:18,080
it's you know it's probably millions if

3808
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:19,760
not billions the

3809
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:23,040
the latest numbers uh this is science

3810
02:27:27,429 --> 02:27:23,840
this isn't

3811
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:27,439
you know crazy talk uh two months ago

3812
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:32,240
mm-hmm 80 billion

3813
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:34,960
right yeah and when you think about this

3814
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:36,800
going back to 1995

3815
02:27:40,469 --> 02:27:39,600
when we discovered the first confirmed

3816
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:40,479
exoplanet

3817
02:27:45,270 --> 02:27:43,760
right one right the number was well we

3818
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:45,280
haven't discovered 80 billion i think

3819
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:47,200
it's an extrapolation from

3820
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:48,960
the figures okay don't be michael

3821
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:51,200
shermer now

3822
02:27:54,550 --> 02:27:52,880
that's not going to work on this show

3823
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:54,560
he's skeptic is coming out

3824
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:57,439
yeah he's too easy of a target for me

3825
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:58,399
but but

3826
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:01,439
understand this that we have 10 000

3827
02:28:05,830 --> 02:28:04,640
catalog planets today 20 years ago the

3828
02:28:07,510 --> 02:28:05,840
number was one

3829
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:07,520
actually 20 years ago the number was

3830
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:09,680
five just five

3831
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:13,600
and now uh mick when you walk out into

3832
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:14,640
your yard

3833
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:18,399
and you look up at the stars every star

3834
02:28:25,429 --> 02:28:21,920
that you can see with your eyes

3835
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:25,439
has a planet or two or ten

3836
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,520
and that's crazy when we didn't think

3837
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:29,280
that there were any

3838
02:28:33,349 --> 02:28:32,560
right 30 years ago the the big question

3839
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:33,359
mark

3840
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:35,680
and that's that's pretty mind-blowing uh

3841
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:37,680
when we start to think about

3842
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:40,160
not other galaxies just here in our own

3843
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:42,800
milky way it's a fascinating time

3844
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:45,520
to be to be living and pondering these

3845
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:46,399
things

3846
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,040
indeed thank you so much mick and where

3847
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:51,439
can everybody go and check you out

3848
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:53,920
they can find me at metabunk.org or i'm

3849
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:55,359
very active on twitter

3850
02:29:00,389 --> 02:28:58,399
at mickwest thank you so much my friend

3851
02:29:01,429 --> 02:29:00,399
great conversation tonight i look

3852
02:29:04,309 --> 02:29:01,439
forward to having you

3853
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:04,319
on the show again and we will go uh

3854
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:06,319
seriously down another direction

3855
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:08,720
and another rabbit hole sounds great i

3856
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:09,439
look forward to it

3857
02:29:16,670 --> 02:29:12,479
thank you mick thank you mick

3858
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:16,680
west again metabunk.org and

3859
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:19,200
tftrh the links are over

3860
02:29:22,550 --> 02:29:21,040
at chimneychurchradio.com and you can

3861
02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:22,560
follow mick right here

3862
02:29:26,309 --> 02:29:25,040
on twitter at mick west i'm going to

3863
02:29:28,230 --> 02:29:26,319
take a quick break

3864
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:28,240
when i come back i know that all of you

3865
02:29:31,030 --> 02:29:30,000
want to have a conversation i'll open up

3866
02:29:32,870 --> 02:29:31,040
the phone lines

3867
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:32,880
thank you mick have a great night be

3868
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:34,479
safe out there i'm your host jimmy

3869
02:29:37,270 --> 02:29:35,359
church

3870
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:37,280
this is fade to block i'll be right back

3871
02:30:03,429 --> 02:29:38,720
to take your phone calls after this

3872
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:05,750
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3873
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:07,680
you are listening to my boy

3874
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:16,230
despite popular opinion reading a book

3875
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:25,190
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3876
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3877
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3878
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3879
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3883
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3949
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this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3950
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:49,030
all right welcome back fade to black i

3951
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:50,720
am your host jimmy church open lines

3952
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:02,710
got 747-228-2051-747-228-2051 on hold

3953
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:04,960
i've got one segment left

3954
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:07,120
and i just post it up in twitter look

3955
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:08,479
man it's it's

3956
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:12,080
a simple thing to say

3957
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:15,600
i'm not here to break hearts if i have

3958
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:18,800
it's unintentional i just want everybody

3959
02:34:22,389 --> 02:34:19,600
to just

3960
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:22,399
look at the evidence just draw your own

3961
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:23,439
conclusions

3962
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:25,840
see what's out there and and that's it

3963
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:27,600
and that's what the show has always been

3964
02:34:30,309 --> 02:34:28,240
about

3965
02:34:31,429 --> 02:34:30,319
from the very beginning listen to

3966
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:31,439
everything it does

3967
02:34:37,349 --> 02:34:34,640
not change these three videos i may not

3968
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:37,359
see ufos or e.t in them

3969
02:34:40,790 --> 02:34:39,840
that's that's me all right it doesn't

3970
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:40,800
change what i

3971
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,080
have seen my experiences uh going

3972
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:46,240
out and sky you of that it doesn't

3973
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:47,359
change anything

3974
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:49,600
you know and i i actually said to mick

3975
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:51,280
before the show i said look

3976
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:54,000
uh these three videos from the navy okay

3977
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:55,120
they don't show

3978
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:57,680
e.t in them they don't there's there's

3979
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:58,800
nothing ufo

3980
02:35:02,070 --> 02:35:01,439
with them for my eyes today but it

3981
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:02,080
doesn't

3982
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:05,280
my belief

3983
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:07,200
i know that we are being visited every

3984
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:08,479
single day by

3985
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:11,840
intelligent civilizations not of planet

3986
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,080
earth it's just not in these three

3987
02:35:19,110 --> 02:35:16,080
videos

3988
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,120
all right that's it that's it and

3989
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:21,760
man hopefully one day i'll be proven

3990
02:35:25,910 --> 02:35:22,720
wrong

3991
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:25,920
fingers are crossed all right seven

3992
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,120
four seven two two eight two zero five

3993
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:30,960
one let's go to the phones hi you're

3994
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:38,469
you're live yeah you're live

3995
02:35:43,270 --> 02:35:40,960
yeah doing how are you doing i'm doing

3996
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:43,280
good who's this

3997
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:50,950
yeah i caught cause um a lot of people

3998
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:52,720
don't talk about

3999
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:59,110
what's that j.r

4000
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:01,510
uh i've heard the illuminati i know

4001
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:09,349
j.r you're live on the radio

4002
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:10,720
all right have you heard of the

4003
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:14,319
illuminati yes

4004
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,319
yeah have you heard the illuminati

4005
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:20,880
i i don't understand what you're saying

4006
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:22,880
jr

4007
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:25,359
uh have you heard about the illuminati

4008
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:26,240
card game

4009
02:36:37,910 --> 02:36:33,520
yeah it predicted the 911 and

4010
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:41,670
oh i uh

4011
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:44,720
i say i did hear something i heard

4012
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:46,399
something about that

4013
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:49,439
uh i didn't hear about the pandemic

4014
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:52,000
but i heard about it predicting things a

4015
02:36:58,030 --> 02:36:54,000
couple of years ago

4016
02:37:01,590 --> 02:36:58,040
yes yeah and those cars were made on

4017
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,600
1995 and that they were predicted it

4018
02:37:06,630 --> 02:37:03,280
predicted that 9 11.

4019
02:37:08,469 --> 02:37:06,640
yes that that i did see

4020
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,479
that i did see it's very very

4021
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:10,560
interesting yes

4022
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:13,120
it's been a few years it's been a few

4023
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:15,760
years since i've heard

4024
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:19,040
yeah and it has a pandemic too

4025
02:37:25,830 --> 02:37:24,080
um as the quarantine the card

4026
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:25,840
yeah it seems like you're you're

4027
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,080
stirring my memory

4028
02:37:32,950 --> 02:37:30,240
i there it wasn't just that there was

4029
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:32,960
like three four or five different things

4030
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:36,640
uh that were there and one of the car

4031
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:40,560
i had i had it up on the website

4032
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:43,200
man this is jr this is going back three

4033
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:44,800
four five years

4034
02:37:49,030 --> 02:37:48,319
and uh i i can't remember exactly but i

4035
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:49,040
remember

4036
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:52,160
having uh a few of those cards

4037
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:54,880
up on uh twitter and on the website i'm

4038
02:37:58,150 --> 02:37:56,319
gonna have to go back and take another

4039
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:58,160
look at that jr but thank you for

4040
02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:02,160
reminding me yeah no problem man i think

4041
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:04,319
this stuff is serious it predicted

4042
02:38:08,870 --> 02:38:05,200
everything that

4043
02:38:11,590 --> 02:38:08,880
just happened you know yeah thank you jr

4044
02:38:13,990 --> 02:38:11,600
and go back lee tappy

4045
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:14,000
go back to saturday man yeah yeah right

4046
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:15,439
on man great phone call

4047
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:19,200
he's right about that um i uh

4048
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:21,840
this happened do you guys remember that

4049
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:23,280
fader knots this was uh

4050
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:26,319
probably three or four years ago

4051
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:29,760
on the show when um

4052
02:38:33,670 --> 02:38:32,640
uh i can't remember if it was a guest on

4053
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:33,680
the show

4054
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:36,479
that revealed this or a caller but it

4055
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:39,040
ended up taking off from there

4056
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:43,359
and we uh we got a collection of the

4057
02:38:47,910 --> 02:38:45,040
cards that were

4058
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:47,920
uh again printed in 1995 but it

4059
02:38:52,710 --> 02:38:50,080
definitely showed 911 and it was a

4060
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:52,720
couple of other things too

4061
02:38:58,870 --> 02:38:56,000
that were there that passed obviously

4062
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:58,880
the pandemic hadn't happened yet and

4063
02:39:03,670 --> 02:38:59,600
there you go

4064
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:03,680
oh is this from uh cassandra let's see

4065
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:07,439
uh i'd okay no this wasn't

4066
02:39:11,190 --> 02:39:10,000
what we presented but i'm going to take

4067
02:39:14,150 --> 02:39:11,200
another look at this

4068
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:14,160
cassandra's uh keep that going i want to

4069
02:39:17,590 --> 02:39:15,040
go and

4070
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:17,600
and check that out yeah remember this

4071
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:18,800
now

4072
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:21,120
i do thank you jr let's go back to the

4073
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,840
phones

4074
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:23,280
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4075
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:24,880
calling

4076
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:28,000
uh this is renee it's it's

4077
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:31,200
this is renee yeah how you doing jimmy

4078
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:33,760
i'm doing good renee how are you

4079
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:37,200
all right um i wanted to give you a

4080
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:38,000
theory about

4081
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,359
um the missing people that david pilates

4082
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:43,200
talks about

4083
02:39:49,830 --> 02:39:47,280
david about uh david is missing

4084
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:49,840
yeah missing 401 yeah what's up yeah you

4085
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,640
know how

4086
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:53,200
nobody knows how yeah i think what it is

4087
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:54,399
is

4088
02:40:02,070 --> 02:39:59,600
bases are just taking them real quick

4089
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:02,080
and then closing real quick and then you

4090
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:03,040
know like the

4091
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:05,520
i saw the video of the shasta when you

4092
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:07,120
saw the ufo and then you can see

4093
02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:10,720
how the mountain open right

4094
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:12,160
so i think that's how they're just

4095
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:14,160
getting people just opening the ground

4096
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:14,800
real quick

4097
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:16,399
and you can't you there's no you know

4098
02:40:19,269 --> 02:40:18,240
trace of nothing and then they either

4099
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:19,279
use them real quick and then they put

4100
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:20,000
they

4101
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:23,680
kill them or whatever or the ones that

4102
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:24,720
are

4103
02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:28,000
down there working or

4104
02:40:32,469 --> 02:40:31,279
you know i mean you have to do work down

4105
02:40:35,030 --> 02:40:32,479
there you know their bases

4106
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:35,040
whatever's going on down there well

4107
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:35,600
renee

4108
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:38,880
anything is possible hey the what what i

4109
02:40:42,150 --> 02:40:39,840
find

4110
02:40:43,110 --> 02:40:42,160
uh and thank you for the phone call what

4111
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:43,120
i find most

4112
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:46,319
fascinating and uh david is great

4113
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:49,760
there um there were a couple of cases

4114
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,439
um in the last movie

4115
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,439
and i didn't want to reveal a whole lot

4116
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:56,960
on the show because i think the movie

4117
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:58,560
was just getting ready to get released

4118
02:41:03,030 --> 02:40:59,680
but anyway

4119
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:03,040
there are a couple of cases there that

4120
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:06,720
absolutely don't make any sense at all

4121
02:41:13,269 --> 02:41:10,000
any logical sense and when you

4122
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:13,279
have somebody uh

4123
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:15,680
missing from one location with a group

4124
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:16,640
of people

4125
02:41:23,429 --> 02:41:19,840
uh missing from one location and then

4126
02:41:25,030 --> 02:41:23,439
uh found uh 20 miles away evidence of

4127
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:25,040
this and then another

4128
02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:27,040
another spot after that and then and

4129
02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:28,840
then nothing

4130
02:41:34,469 --> 02:41:31,840
shoes are there clothes

4131
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:34,479
or you know it somebody is wandering

4132
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:35,680
around

4133
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:39,600
uh open to the elements

4134
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:43,279
and exposure it doesn't make any sense

4135
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:46,560
i i don't know i don't know i think also

4136
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:48,800
um this may be connected to what you're

4137
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:50,160
saying too renee

4138
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:53,680
but i think it has uh something to do

4139
02:42:02,309 --> 02:41:58,240
with uh possibly with with granite

4140
02:42:05,830 --> 02:42:02,319
or rocks um and and what is going on

4141
02:42:07,590 --> 02:42:05,840
underneath uh your feet at that moment

4142
02:42:09,910 --> 02:42:07,600
i think that has something to do with it

4143
02:42:11,510 --> 02:42:09,920
i could be i could be wrong but

4144
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:11,520
when you look at each one of these

4145
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:14,399
locations as as david has mapped it out

4146
02:42:19,590 --> 02:42:16,319
it always seems like

4147
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:19,600
there's heavy heavy rocks right

4148
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:21,920
heavy minerals and things that are in

4149
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:23,200
that area

4150
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:24,960
and then with the no shoes and then in

4151
02:42:30,230 --> 02:42:26,479
the water you know yeah

4152
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:30,240
water water no shoes and then the the

4153
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:31,040
kids that are like

4154
02:42:34,469 --> 02:42:33,120
under five they don't they don't know

4155
02:42:36,150 --> 02:42:34,479
what happened they'll remember

4156
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:36,160
yeah they just say like we're wearing

4157
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:37,600
stuff like a

4158
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:39,439
a bear or something like a teddy bear or

4159
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:40,640
something you know

4160
02:42:45,429 --> 02:42:42,800
it doesn't make it yeah yeah i know i

4161
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:45,439
know fascinating and david

4162
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:48,479
is one of the best yeah has he has he

4163
02:42:54,150 --> 02:42:50,880
ever checked his missing persons

4164
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:54,160
with with the list of when they

4165
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:57,359
um when they bust the child or the

4166
02:43:01,110 --> 02:42:58,479
trafficking

4167
02:43:01,670 --> 02:43:01,120
i i don't know if he goes into that zone

4168
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:01,680
uh

4169
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:04,160
you you would have to yeah if there were

4170
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,279
names right there then

4171
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:08,720
it has to be connected there right yeah

4172
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:10,960
again anything is possible there's a lot

4173
02:43:14,070 --> 02:43:11,920
of

4174
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:14,080
human trafficking ladies that then you

4175
02:43:17,349 --> 02:43:15,279
know they're getting busted

4176
02:43:20,309 --> 02:43:17,359
yeah i know i know renee thank you for

4177
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:20,319
the phone call man and go back lee tappy

4178
02:43:27,190 --> 02:43:23,520
all right see you later yeah right on um

4179
02:43:30,550 --> 02:43:27,200
i remember let's see if

4180
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:30,560
if you guys remember this i

4181
02:43:37,670 --> 02:43:36,469
i'm gonna say four years ago feels like

4182
02:43:41,269 --> 02:43:37,680
four years

4183
02:43:43,269 --> 02:43:41,279
i went and did and pop this up in

4184
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:43,279
twitter you can go and do this now

4185
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:47,680
go and look at the

4186
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:50,560
missing people people that have

4187
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:52,720
disappeared

4188
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:56,479
the count worldwide and country by

4189
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:57,760
country

4190
02:44:01,269 --> 02:44:00,720
go and look at those numbers you can see

4191
02:44:05,030 --> 02:44:01,279
it broke

4192
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:05,040
broken down you know male female by ages

4193
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:08,800
children adults married single

4194
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:12,399
and just go and look at these numbers

4195
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:16,080
it is an insanely

4196
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:21,120
huge number disappeared without a trace

4197
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,640
gone that's crazy

4198
02:44:29,830 --> 02:44:27,920
i mean and and today

4199
02:44:32,550 --> 02:44:29,840
and we're talking about you know the

4200
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,560
number is in the millions

4201
02:44:36,070 --> 02:44:34,319
it's not ten thousand it's not five

4202
02:44:38,790 --> 02:44:36,080
thousand it's not a few hundred

4203
02:44:39,670 --> 02:44:38,800
it's in the millions and in today's

4204
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:39,680
society

4205
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:43,359
i want you to imagine something how

4206
02:44:49,429 --> 02:44:46,399
how difficult it would be today

4207
02:44:50,630 --> 02:44:49,439
to disappear yourself what you would

4208
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:50,640
have to do

4209
02:44:57,830 --> 02:44:53,840
because oh will i get a new id okay

4210
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:57,840
all right that that may work in 1960

4211
02:45:04,710 --> 02:45:00,880
but today with uh

4212
02:45:08,309 --> 02:45:04,720
with dna facial recognition

4213
02:45:12,070 --> 02:45:08,319
certainly uh fingerprints and other

4214
02:45:13,190 --> 02:45:12,080
there it is so difficult to disappear

4215
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:13,200
yourself

4216
02:45:16,469 --> 02:45:14,880
and and and how are you going to make

4217
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:16,479
money how are you going to get a job how

4218
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:17,359
are you going to do

4219
02:45:24,870 --> 02:45:20,960
and and today to go and get an id

4220
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:24,880
right that's that's a driver's license

4221
02:45:30,710 --> 02:45:28,720
a checking account a bank account into

4222
02:45:33,030 --> 02:45:30,720
how difficult it is to disappear

4223
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:33,040
yourself to just drop out

4224
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:36,640
and so let's say a million people

4225
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:38,960
were able to just drop out walk away

4226
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:40,640
disappear themselves

4227
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:45,279
you have to reappear somewhere else

4228
02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:48,319
how difficult it is today it's it's

4229
02:45:53,269 --> 02:45:51,040
not in this electronic world it's nearly

4230
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:53,279
impossible

4231
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:55,439
and especially with and if you're going

4232
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:57,359
to disappear yourself you're leaving a

4233
02:46:02,870 --> 02:45:59,840
dna trail back at your house

4234
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:02,880
uh uh d you've got dna all over

4235
02:46:06,630 --> 02:46:05,760
wherever you lived tooth brushes you've

4236
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:06,640
got dna

4237
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:10,000
dna

4238
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:11,760
all over the place so they're going to

4239
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:13,359
get those dna samples

4240
02:46:17,030 --> 02:46:16,000
you show up somewhere else you're

4241
02:46:20,469 --> 02:46:17,040
eventually going to get

4242
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:20,479
where are the and now um remember

4243
02:46:24,070 --> 02:46:22,720
i'm talking about per year i'm not

4244
02:46:26,309 --> 02:46:24,080
saying that a million people have

4245
02:46:31,269 --> 02:46:26,319
disappeared over time

4246
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:31,279
i'm talking about per year

4247
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:34,160
where do they go it's one of the most

4248
02:46:37,830 --> 02:46:35,279
mind-blowing

4249
02:46:39,510 --> 02:46:37,840
things when i when i got those stats out

4250
02:46:41,110 --> 02:46:39,520
i've got calls on hold i'll get to you

4251
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:41,120
in a second

4252
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:43,120
when i broke out those stats and you

4253
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:45,359
start to look at this

4254
02:46:51,510 --> 02:46:48,479
how many people are missing from the uk

4255
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:51,520
every single year disappear

4256
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:54,720
without a trace and it goes on in every

4257
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:55,279
country

4258
02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:57,840
all around now is it human trafficking i

4259
02:47:07,429 --> 02:46:59,359
don't know

4260
02:47:08,950 --> 02:47:07,439
they pull that off

4261
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:08,960
so it's got to be something else

4262
02:47:12,630 --> 02:47:10,960
something unintentional i don't know

4263
02:47:14,389 --> 02:47:12,640
maybe they're on mars

4264
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:14,399
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4265
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:16,319
calling

4266
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,160
jim what's up who's this michael

4267
02:47:24,309 --> 02:47:23,040
hey michael where are you calling from

4268
02:47:27,030 --> 02:47:24,319
uh orange county

4269
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:27,040
all right what's on your mind i know i

4270
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:27,760
just you know

4271
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:29,840
uh just real quickly on a couple things

4272
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:32,000
because i know the way you operate

4273
02:47:38,950 --> 02:47:35,200
um who's that the strangest thing the

4274
02:47:42,070 --> 02:47:38,960
strangest thing about the 4-1-1

4275
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:42,080
what's that well you know i mean you can

4276
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:42,640
look at

4277
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:45,040
all the strange things that you want to

4278
02:47:49,429 --> 02:47:45,920
about it

4279
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:49,439
but what i think the real telltale fact

4280
02:47:56,309 --> 02:47:53,200
is the attitude

4281
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:56,319
of the national park service when david

4282
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:57,600
went to try to get

4283
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:00,960
the list and then the series of events

4284
02:48:05,510 --> 02:48:02,160
that transpired

4285
02:48:06,469 --> 02:48:05,520
including an ending with from no we

4286
02:48:08,469 --> 02:48:06,479
don't have one

4287
02:48:09,990 --> 02:48:08,479
to well wait a minute i'm going to

4288
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:10,000
request it through the freedom of

4289
02:48:14,790 --> 02:48:11,520
information act

4290
02:48:16,230 --> 02:48:14,800
to yes we do have one it's going to cost

4291
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:16,240
you a hundred thousand dollars

4292
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:18,160
i think the final price that they would

4293
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:19,840
have produced that list

4294
02:48:25,590 --> 02:48:22,880
that they quoted david was 2.1 million

4295
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:25,600
dollars for the list

4296
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:30,160
right what are they hiding right

4297
02:48:35,590 --> 02:48:33,120
right and and the uh and especially if

4298
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:35,600
you watch his last movie

4299
02:48:38,950 --> 02:48:38,479
when uh and the one before that too as

4300
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:38,960
well

4301
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:42,560
but when you look at the stone wall

4302
02:48:49,910 --> 02:48:46,160
that's absolute wall that is built

4303
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:49,920
between uh the park service the rangers

4304
02:48:56,469 --> 02:48:53,359
the the local law enforcement agency

4305
02:48:58,389 --> 02:48:56,479
they they don't want to touch this stuff

4306
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:58,399
and and it's just like wait a minute we

4307
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,760
want to ask questions

4308
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,359
and they don't want they don't want you

4309
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:02,960
to ask questions

4310
02:49:09,590 --> 02:49:06,000
because they can't answer them and

4311
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:09,600
i i just i i get outraged and the other

4312
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:10,000
part

4313
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:12,960
michael this is the other thing um and i

4314
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:13,920
know david

4315
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:17,120
uh he's an intense guy on the

4316
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:20,000
air in person when you meet him he's the

4317
02:49:23,349 --> 02:49:20,800
coolest

4318
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:23,359
he's a man i'm telling you that is a

4319
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:24,880
good-natured guy

4320
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:27,359
that is out there really trying to

4321
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:29,520
figure out what's going on

4322
02:49:34,550 --> 02:49:33,200
but you don't want him on your trail

4323
02:49:36,469 --> 02:49:34,560
you know what i mean and i've told him

4324
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:36,479
this i said man if i ever

4325
02:49:40,389 --> 02:49:38,479
if i ever do anything wrong i don't want

4326
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:40,399
you after me because i'm gonna get

4327
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:40,880
caught

4328
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:44,560
let up

4329
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:47,840
but the other part of this is he knows

4330
02:49:51,670 --> 02:49:49,840
he's an investigator this is what he's

4331
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:51,680
been doing his and he knows that there

4332
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:53,200
is something going on

4333
02:49:57,269 --> 02:49:55,520
and he's not going to end he's not going

4334
02:49:58,150 --> 02:49:57,279
to stop until he starts to get some

4335
02:50:00,630 --> 02:49:58,160
answers

4336
02:50:02,070 --> 02:50:00,640
but the more that you watch the movies

4337
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:02,080
and you read the books

4338
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:04,960
you can't help but but walking away

4339
02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:05,520
feeling

4340
02:50:10,150 --> 02:50:08,720
very very creeped out there's something

4341
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:10,160
right and here's the things that i

4342
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:12,240
thought of honestly after

4343
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:15,040
not only buying to support him his movie

4344
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:15,600
and

4345
02:50:20,630 --> 02:50:18,960
just all just a lot of deep analysis

4346
02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:20,640
there were these were the possibilities

4347
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:22,240
that i thought and you can tell me what

4348
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:23,200
you think

4349
02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:25,600
um first i thought okay maybe we got

4350
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:27,760
some sasquatch activity because of the

4351
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:28,800
distance

4352
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:31,439
and stripping them down to maybe look

4353
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:33,920
like more like an

4354
02:50:37,990 --> 02:50:37,120
ape rather than a child uh that that was

4355
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:38,000
one thing

4356
02:50:42,309 --> 02:50:40,240
then i thought okay maybe we have

4357
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:42,319
reptilians going down

4358
02:50:45,830 --> 02:50:44,800
just that it's so fast and there's no

4359
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:45,840
trace

4360
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:49,439
maybe because of et or

4361
02:50:56,309 --> 02:50:52,960
alien involvement and then

4362
02:50:58,309 --> 02:50:56,319
what's so cool is tonight i thought the

4363
02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:58,319
guy was kind of off his rocker for

4364
02:51:02,469 --> 02:50:59,680
suggesting

4365
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:02,479
child trafficking and then wait if you

4366
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:04,479
if you think about it

4367
02:51:08,550 --> 02:51:06,479
there's one thing that really supports

4368
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:08,560
this other than the facts that

4369
02:51:12,870 --> 02:51:11,200
most of the kids are found naked and way

4370
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:12,880
far away

4371
02:51:16,710 --> 02:51:15,840
uh those people probably also have privy

4372
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:16,720
to list for

4373
02:51:22,870 --> 02:51:20,319
booking reservations for that particular

4374
02:51:24,230 --> 02:51:22,880
camping spot and listing all of the

4375
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:24,240
occupants that are going to be

4376
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:27,840
in it you maybe now also understand

4377
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:30,640
that that might even be more as sick as

4378
02:51:33,429 --> 02:51:31,040
it is

4379
02:51:35,030 --> 02:51:33,439
as a possibility than you would have

4380
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:35,040
before by the fact

4381
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:37,760
that maybe that's what's scaring the you

4382
02:51:42,230 --> 02:51:38,800
know what

4383
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:42,240
out of the rangers the local officers

4384
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:44,800
the investigators and a couple of them

4385
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:47,120
have said there's no way that their dogs

4386
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:48,880
have never not been able to find

4387
02:51:54,389 --> 02:51:52,240
anything without a trace this is the

4388
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:54,399
work of professionals

4389
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:58,640
extreme animals or extreme e.t

4390
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:01,120
and something is scaring the crap and

4391
02:52:05,429 --> 02:52:02,399
not only that

4392
02:52:07,030 --> 02:52:05,439
the local park services and ranges are

4393
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:07,040
actually trained by a

4394
02:52:13,349 --> 02:52:10,640
very very hardcore government group

4395
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:13,359
that you would never believe would have

4396
02:52:16,950 --> 02:52:14,000
any reason

4397
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:16,960
to train park rangers when you make that

4398
02:52:21,510 --> 02:52:18,560
connection

4399
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:21,520
there's a reason why all of this super

4400
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:22,720
high training

4401
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:25,520
and protection has taken place and it's

4402
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:27,040
maybe because

4403
02:52:32,150 --> 02:52:30,160
it is all about the epstein kind of

4404
02:52:33,110 --> 02:52:32,160
scenario in child trafficking what do

4405
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:33,120
you think about that

4406
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:35,040
yeah and and michael thank you for the

4407
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:37,040
phone call the numbers are big

4408
02:52:40,230 --> 02:52:39,680
and i don't know i i when i look at the

4409
02:52:43,750 --> 02:52:40,240
numbers

4410
02:52:46,950 --> 02:52:43,760
i don't know uh what to think but uh

4411
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:46,960
a fantastic phone call man and

4412
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:49,680
one day right one day we'll start to get

4413
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,560
answers on

4414
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:52,080
all of these things we've got so many

4415
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:55,359
issues michael go back lee tappy man

4416
02:52:59,269 --> 02:52:57,600
go back late happy jim thanks say hi to

4417
02:53:01,910 --> 02:52:59,279
rita thank you so much

4418
02:53:03,389 --> 02:53:01,920
uh another great phone call the numbers

4419
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:03,399
are daunting

4420
02:53:13,389 --> 02:53:07,359
2019 just in the united states

4421
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:13,399
just in the united states 609

4422
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:17,359
275 missing persons

4423
02:53:24,670 --> 02:53:20,399
think about that for a second just in

4424
02:53:30,110 --> 02:53:24,680
the united states 609

4425
02:53:34,710 --> 02:53:30,120
275 2018

4426
02:53:35,630 --> 02:53:34,720
612 846 missing persons in the united

4427
02:53:40,349 --> 02:53:35,640
states

4428
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,359
2017 600 651

4429
02:53:46,190 --> 02:53:42,560
226 people

4430
02:53:49,309 --> 02:53:46,200
missing in the united states 2016

4431
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:49,319
647 thousand

4432
02:53:56,190 --> 02:53:52,880
435. now do the math

4433
02:54:00,309 --> 02:53:56,200
in four years four years

4434
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:00,319
2.4 almost 2.5

4435
02:54:04,150 --> 02:54:03,359
million people missing in the united

4436
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:04,160
states now

4437
02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:07,359
how many of them were found how many

4438
02:54:12,510 --> 02:54:09,120
you know and how many do we not know

4439
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:12,520
about this is what is reported

4440
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:16,240
2.5 million people

4441
02:54:23,030 --> 02:54:19,520
that's insane to me i that

4442
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:23,040
that's a great we look at uh something

4443
02:54:30,389 --> 02:54:27,359
uh today when we look at uh coronavirus

4444
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:30,399
and we look at uh the the pandemic

4445
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:32,479
numbers in the united states and

4446
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:35,439
how many people uh got sick how many

4447
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:36,479
recovered

4448
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:39,040
how many lost their lives to it and we

4449
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:39,760
look at that

4450
02:54:47,349 --> 02:54:43,600
and then you look at this kind of number

4451
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:47,359
that's crazy talk david pilates

4452
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:50,800
is is on to something i don't know

4453
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:54,479
uh uh what is causing it

4454
02:55:00,790 --> 02:54:57,600
i remember the last time

4455
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:00,800
uh i think in his last movie

4456
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:03,920
i think it was it's pretty extensive

4457
02:55:10,389 --> 02:55:07,200
five cases five cases

4458
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:10,399
went from beginning to end and

4459
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:12,560
dealing with law enforcement and family

4460
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:14,080
members and the facts in the case and

4461
02:55:16,870 --> 02:55:15,359
the friends and the people that were

4462
02:55:19,429 --> 02:55:16,880
there and the witnesses

4463
02:55:20,309 --> 02:55:19,439
in each one of these cases there was not

4464
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,319
one

4465
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,240
where you just step back and go ah

4466
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:24,640
that's pretty explainable

4467
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:28,560
no and it's uh it's such a small slice

4468
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:29,120
of

4469
02:55:36,790 --> 02:55:33,680
nine thousand he uses metrics

4470
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:36,800
he wants to go to specific uh places

4471
02:55:41,269 --> 02:55:39,200
he wants to look at national parks and

4472
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:41,279
then take it down further you know was

4473
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:42,160
it close to

4474
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:44,800
water i think you know stream uh were

4475
02:55:47,670 --> 02:55:46,960
there people there were there other way

4476
02:55:50,790 --> 02:55:47,680
you know

4477
02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:50,800
he he breaks it down to go to very

4478
02:55:55,910 --> 02:55:53,120
specifics but this is the thing

4479
02:55:56,630 --> 02:55:55,920
when he uses the metrics with all of

4480
02:55:58,870 --> 02:55:56,640
this

4481
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:58,880
he's got more cases than he can

4482
02:56:03,110 --> 02:56:00,479
investigate

4483
02:56:04,710 --> 02:56:03,120
where you're looking at oh well what did

4484
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:04,720
did it have this this this

4485
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,000
this yes had all of the above and and

4486
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:10,800
we're dealing with thousands of cases

4487
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:13,840
so yeah go watch his last uh

4488
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:16,720
uh missing 4-1-1 with those five cases

4489
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:17,439
in that

4490
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:18,960
and tell me that you don't get to the

4491
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:20,720
end of that video

4492
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:23,760
and and feel uncomfortable he's not

4493
02:56:29,349 --> 02:56:27,040
uh by the way you know talking about

4494
02:56:32,630 --> 02:56:29,359
reptilians and ufos

4495
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:32,640
david of i remember uh once where i

4496
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:34,720
i said well what about bigfoot he goes

4497
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:35,920
yeah

4498
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:37,439
that needs to be a part of the

4499
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:39,120
discussion too

4500
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:42,560
it does it comes into

4501
02:56:45,750 --> 02:56:43,920
not only the metrics but the

4502
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:45,760
conversations with um

4503
02:56:49,110 --> 02:56:47,359
other witnesses and things that were

4504
02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:49,120
happening on that day

4505
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:52,479
that week what was going on and

4506
02:56:55,510 --> 02:56:54,319
it's something that he's not willing to

4507
02:56:59,110 --> 02:56:55,520
dismiss

4508
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:59,120
and by the way and i mean this i've sat

4509
02:57:02,469 --> 02:57:00,000
next to him

4510
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:02,479
i've talked to him i've interviewed him

4511
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:04,160
he was on a panel of mine

4512
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:07,600
once too as well you sit and you talk to

4513
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:09,760
david pilates and you will never see a

4514
02:57:14,070 --> 02:57:11,600
more serious individual

4515
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:14,080
you can look right in his eyes and man

4516
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:14,800
he is

4517
02:57:22,630 --> 02:57:21,760
i wouldn't want to make him angry by the

4518
02:57:25,269 --> 02:57:22,640
way

4519
02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:25,279
he's exactly what you're thinking he's

4520
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:26,000
big

4521
02:57:32,469 --> 02:57:29,200
he's tall um uh he's

4522
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:32,479
serious and i i can't speak enough i

4523
02:57:37,429 --> 02:57:34,080
can't speak highly enough

4524
02:57:39,110 --> 02:57:37,439
for david palladies so um

4525
02:57:42,550 --> 02:57:39,120
really quick i do want to thank mick

4526
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:42,560
west um when you go to

4527
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:45,760
uh mick's youtube channel he's got a lot

4528
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:47,600
of things broken down there

4529
02:57:55,030 --> 02:57:51,120
um go and and check out all of his

4530
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:55,040
uh u.s navy video analysis

4531
02:57:58,309 --> 02:57:57,279
you can draw your own conclusions but at

4532
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:58,319
least go and

4533
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:01,760
see how he approaches all of this

4534
02:58:08,870 --> 02:58:04,880
um there's that part also

4535
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:08,880
with mick is a tft rh

4536
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:12,399
and uh go there too as well because

4537
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:15,120
his podcast series that he's doing right

4538
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:15,600
now

4539
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:18,800
and they're all great uh so far

4540
02:58:25,030 --> 02:58:21,920
go to his first video

4541
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:25,040
is episode number one for the podcast

4542
02:58:28,070 --> 02:58:26,720
and it's all right there you can go and

4543
02:58:31,590 --> 02:58:28,080
click and listen

4544
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:31,600
start there i think his first

4545
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:35,120
guest is named joe or john

4546
02:58:40,550 --> 02:58:38,319
very interesting and when you're

4547
02:58:41,910 --> 02:58:40,560
going to watch the first episode of the

4548
02:58:45,349 --> 02:58:41,920
podcast

4549
02:58:48,070 --> 02:58:45,359
they discuss the film zeitgeist

4550
02:58:48,790 --> 02:58:48,080
and i almost brought that up tonight

4551
02:58:51,110 --> 02:58:48,800
with mick

4552
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:51,120
i think that is a a really great future

4553
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,080
episode

4554
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:54,720
on fade to black but go and check that

4555
02:58:58,790 --> 02:58:55,120
out

4556
02:59:01,349 --> 02:58:58,800
it's a very very honest and revealing uh

4557
02:59:06,070 --> 02:59:01,359
uh podcast and you can go and check that

4558
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,080
out at tftrh.com of course

4559
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:08,399
metabunk medibunk which has been running

4560
02:59:12,710 --> 02:59:09,279
now for

4561
02:59:14,950 --> 02:59:12,720
for 10 years metabunk.org

4562
02:59:16,950 --> 02:59:14,960
go and check it out i'm sure at one

4563
02:59:17,830 --> 02:59:16,960
point or another they tore me apart i

4564
02:59:20,230 --> 02:59:17,840
met a bunk

4565
02:59:21,550 --> 02:59:20,240
it doesn't mean it's not a great site go

4566
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:21,560
and check out

4567
02:59:26,230 --> 02:59:24,240
metabunk.org very fun for

4568
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,240
for this audience for the fate or not

4569
02:59:31,269 --> 02:59:28,399
but you always need to look at

4570
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:31,279
every single side of the coin and with

4571
02:59:34,790 --> 02:59:31,680
that

4572
02:59:36,790 --> 02:59:34,800
night don

4573
02:59:38,790 --> 02:59:36,800
schmidt is here we're going to be

4574
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:38,800
discussing his new book

4575
02:59:41,990 --> 02:59:40,319
tomorrow night right here on fade to

4576
02:59:45,030 --> 02:59:42,000
black go right

4577
02:59:47,590 --> 02:59:45,040
now go to game changer

4578
02:59:48,550 --> 02:59:47,600
network on youtube game changer network

4579
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:48,560
on youtube

4580
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:52,640
check out episode one of the h factor

4581
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:54,960
i'm your host jimmy church what a great

4582
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:56,000
conversation tonight

4583
03:00:01,190 --> 02:59:59,200
thank you mick west great great show

4584
03:00:02,230 --> 03:00:01,200
bay to black's executive producers rita

4585
03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:02,240
kamarian

4586
03:00:05,429 --> 03:00:04,240
shows produced by hill j palm renee

4587
03:00:07,510 --> 03:00:05,439
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4588
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:07,520
announcers are steve harder gene vettel

4589
03:00:11,349 --> 03:00:09,200
and mark d kovar

4590
03:00:12,309 --> 03:00:11,359
webmasters drew the geek music doug

4591
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:12,319
aldridge

4592
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:15,920
intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

4593
03:00:19,670 --> 03:00:18,000
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4594
03:00:21,510 --> 03:00:19,680
the game changer network and syndication

4595
03:00:24,550 --> 03:00:21,520
is kgra

4596
03:00:27,110 --> 03:00:24,560
the planet this broadcast only

4597
03:00:28,870 --> 03:00:27,120
copyrighted 2020 by fade to black in the

4598
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,880
game changer network inc

4599
03:00:32,790 --> 03:00:31,040
it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

4600
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:32,800
copied or used anywhere in the known

4601
03:00:35,429 --> 03:00:33,680
universe

4602
03:00:37,349 --> 03:00:35,439
without written permission from bay to

4603
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:37,359
black or the game changer network

4604
03:00:41,269 --> 03:00:38,880
i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

4605
03:01:04,830 --> 03:00:41,279
night don schmidt until then